Sunday Times headline - "Trans Rights cannot override Women's Rights. Mainstream media are waking up!

[Imarealwoman]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-trans-rights-cant-override-womens-rights-m70dw55dp

Lead story. Fantastic that the mainstream media both in England & Ireland have realised the tide has turned.
Let the Trans get their own Trans rights & spaces. Stop them invading ours.

There is another thread on this. The comments unde4 the article are not having it…

Whatever about the opinion it's a strong headline from the mainstream media who are suddenly awakening in the UK & Ireland.

Now think he’s an opportunistic politician rather than intelligent.

Have always voted Labour. They lost my vote when collectively refused to state a fact. Now they realise they have lost the woman’s vote, now he states the obvious.

Ooh, look out Britain, Kier's come out as possibly having noticed female people exist and are human. A bit. 99% say. And they can definitely have single sex spaces but men can be any sex they like. And Stuff Like That.

If this is a bid to try and create 'middle ground' it's a forlorn hope. Had he bothered listening to women at all he would understand that 'middle ground' on this when run through the universal bullshit translator merely means 'we'll only take away a reasonable amount of women's equality and existing rights to give more to fantastically unreasonable and misogynistic men, many of whom are appearing to be quite violent and unstable going by social media and rioting mobs'.

Anyone going 'ooh yes, I'll vote for that? I'll accept being partially human and not having equality and access in society so a violent male can go anywhere they wish whenever they wish? What a fabulous offer to vote for?'

No?

Gosh. Looks like we're all servicehumaned out.

@Kenwoodmixitup good point, I'm in Ireland so not as clued in to politics in the UK. However it is progressive to see these types of strong headlines. They will make people stop & think hang on a minute... These men will be sharing toilets & changing rooms with my granddaughters..

Did you read the article? He thinks 0.1% of women do have a penis. This marries up with how many men claim to be women. Nothing has changed. A vote for Labour is a vote for self-ID.

Skimmed through it but appreciate the strong headline. The more headlines like that the better. Also hopefully many more politicians in the UK will start spouting the obvious that men cannot invade women's spaces.

Ah, thank goodness!

Is it headlining the Irish version too?

@nilsmousehammer
Spot on!

I think you need to read the article properly before getting too excited.
"hopefully many more politicians in the UK will start spouting the obvious that men cannot invade women's spaces."
Where does he say that women's single sex spaces will be preserved for biological women only? I don't think he does. The 0.1% of 'women with penises' are women for this purpose in his mind. He just needs to work on bringing the public round to this way of thinking. In no way is this remotely a promise to preserve women's rights - this is just a rephrasing of 'there's no clash of rights'.

He's running scared because he's seen the polling data and knows that he's not popular with women. Actually, he's not popular with most people because they don't trust him - he's a snivelly fence sitter, you have no idea what he believes or will actually do when he's in power. I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him.

And it's still the same mealy mouthed saying not very much at all, he is giving himself an out with the 99.9% bollox. No Kier, 100% of biological women are women. The rest are just pretending.

Given that he still hasn't come out in support of Rosie Duffield, he's just playing both sides hoping it will win him some votes. What a turd.

Not a sniff of it. @emsyj37 ah so not as progressive as I had hoped.
I am very uncomfortable with men in my personal spaces. Trans say they don't feel comfortable in men's spaces. Why is there comfort more in important than mine? I am in a space designated for me so I feel safe & comfortable but men still allowed in. It's so backwards, it's always been a mans world though..

I don't want to piss on your bonfire, OP, but this has been his position all along. Its a sly fudge designed to appeal to people who know what a woman is but aren't clued up on the political issue (so, about 90% of voters). They will think 'oh good, I'm glad he's being sensible, I will vote Labour'.

In reality, this statement coming from a man who says 0.1% of women aren't actually biological women is worse than useless.

No. He can fuck off to the far side of fuck.

I wouldn’t sweat it, because there is a’waking’ up there too. Leo was mentioned in the Times in the Hadley Freeman article. Also the Irish will be way more awake when they realise what Minister Roddy is proposing as regards gender for the constitutional referendum in November.

I sincerely hope the media are finally waking up to this, and the fact that trans rights activism is for a few, at a cost of all women's rights.

Not sure if this is the right place, but thought this was interesting (and very much related) to the question of trans rights

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/name-a-human-right-dylan-mulvaney

The headline is from The ST itself, he doesn't actually say those exact words as far as I can see. Noting has changed.

As I said I'm in Ireland but I liked the hard hitting headline & that the media are realising that women's rights should not include the penises in dresses brigade. KS certainly does sound sly & well done to all the women who called him out on it. He'll need to do better.

He's running scared because he's seen the polling data and knows that he's not popular with women.
I agree and, if Starmer is prepared to backtrack to get my vote, then I will listen regardless of what his motives are, because that, as far as I'm concerned, is how politics works. But if he does want my vote, he will need to run a lot further than this, and face down the rest of his party, including his deputy leader,

The IT had a couple of handwringing pieces by the head girls this week.
I don't recall any counter piece but maybe there was.

Given that Nicola Sturgeon had to resign over the cover up of gender shambles losing 30,000+ members from SNP almost overnight, Labour had to take note. Will they take any action though?

Starmer thinks he’s proposing a pragmatic, middle-ground compromise. But at some point he’ll realise there is no compromising with TRAs. They don’t simply want respect, of to be just left alone to get on with their lives - they want to take over.

Starmer is also going to have to be faced with the fact that nice middle ground compromises involve collateral damage of women being ok. That vulnerable groups of women (that you'd think a party claiming to be left would care about) are and will continue to be excluded from public spaces and accessible services, and that women's bodies and lives will be harmed, some permanently, by the 'whoops, that one's at it' type mistakes that absolutely don't define anything and aren't safeguarding fails, and were certainly no one's fault.

Not ok. Not anywhere near the realms of being ok. Not unless you believe that people born with penises are intrinsically more valuable and human than those without.

Which would render repeating all the 1% of women have penises catchphrases a bit hypocritical really in the face of this very binary sex based thinking.

OP, the Times is a UK paper. Some of the UK press have taken a generally gender critical stance, i.e. the Times and the Daily Mail (I know, I know). The IRISH papers on the other hand have been absolutely appalling. Plenty of articles, sadly mostly from female journalists, very pro-trans, simplistic, be-kind clap trap (see Jennifer O'Connell's review of JKR witch trials yesterday, and article in yesterday's Examiner by another female journalist (can't be bother to look up her name) with a staggeringly simplistic take on things. (On second thoughts, don't give them the clicks, it's just the usual nonesense). I'm sick to death of it. Notwithstanding Roderic's O'Gorman's mauling on twitter over the past few days, Ireland still has a long long way to go.

PS. Keir is not to be trusted, UK women can see it.

I'm Irish btw, so I'm not just getting the boot in. I'm genuinely mortified by Ireland's perpetual disdain for it's women.