Non-woman

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I had an on-line discussion today with someone who described themselves as trans. I am positive she was female, and very young.

At first it was interesting as she seemed to think that if gender stereotypes did not exist people would not need to identify as anything. It then moved on to gender expression and pronouns, and then she said:

"A transmasc female does not need to take hormones, or have surgery. They can also dress femenine, and even use she/her pronouns. They are still transmasc."

I asked her what made them transmasc then.

She replied: They are transmasc because they are not a woman.

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How does anyone become so detached from reality?

It made me feel quite sad actually.

You only need to skim the surface of gender ideology to expose how nonsensical it is!

I was reading an article earlier which was supposed to be a guide to the various different genders. It was actually quite an entertaining read but was meant to be serious!

I can understand it. I'm so grateful I am not at school in this time and freaking looking at the schools my kids go to. I would have been described trans as a kid I'm sure.

They don't want to be a woman - my guess because it's shit being a woman in patriarchy and misogyny. But want to act female when it's safe to do so without attracting unwanted attention. But they don't feel male so don't claim transman.

That's my guess. I never felt like I was male but i vocally wanted to be a boy when I was a child. Because I wanted the privileges I saw boys getting that I as a girl was denied. And I liked there toys and games more. I also have sensory issues with clothes and hair so was gender non conforming in that sense. So I guess she's been told she's trans and looking at the labels available that's the best fit to her feelings

What does “transmasc female” actually mean?

The entire edifice has more holes than an Emmental factory. Gender ideology makes most religions look sane and logical. Even Scientology, and they think the Earth is made from the souls of dead alien gods who are going to return in a spaceship! Makes more logical sense than any of this gender rubbish!

I’ve given up trying to understand the trans/non binary/ whatever else. Every day there’s a new ideology and language.

If a bloke wants to grow his hair and wear a dress - fine. He knows - as we all know - that doesn’t make him a woman. The same goes for a woman who shaves her hair and wears men’s trousers (is there such a thing as trousers made only for men?)

Anyway why can’t they just be who they are? There’s no need to change their name and demand everyone calls them “them”.

Eddie can wear whatever he likes. He can still be Eddie. Wearing a dress and/or mascara will never make him Edith.

Jenny can still be called Jenny, regardless of how she likes to wear her hair. A haircut in the barbers won’t turn Jenny into John.

Why can’t everyone just be themselves and accept who they are?

I just don’t get it.

I think some of them really DON'T know that they are really just male or female like we are.

These are people who have internalised a belief system that says that being female doesn't make you a woman. That they have to look internally and interrogate their feelings, how they see themselves, how they think others see them.

I read adolescent fiction for work. Over the past few years so many characters have spent time trying to work out where they fit on the gender/sexuality spectrum they have been taught exists. 10 years ago maybe a character would realise they were gay, or deal with a teen pregnancy, or focus on their future career and educational choices. But nowadays they are more likely to determine that they are ACE, or trans-masc. or some other made up term that helps ensure generational miscommunication.

There are so very many reasons for kids to opt out of the man and woman label. For boys, especially bright, quirky, white middle class boys, the desire to not be part of the oppressor class can become the most important concern. Girls have a different imperative. They don't believe those of us telling them that womanhood has room for all females. They have been taught that accepting that 'label' restricts them.

At first it was interesting as she seemed to think that if gender stereotypes did not exist people would not need to identify as anything

So she thinks we would be better off without gender stereotypes? Well, we were getting very close to that and then some f**kwitted ideology came along and suddenly people are measuring themselves by 1950 stereotypes 🙄

In the 1980s, young people laughed at their parents when they said daft things like asking whether Boy George was a woman, or thinking that a woman with a shaved head was a man. Now it’s the parents who are the progressive ones while the youth sit with the idiotic stereotypes in front of them deciding which little regressive label suits them best. “Oh, but I do like make up but my hairs short and I never wear a skirt or dress, I’m pretty good at DIY too, oh but I do like cooking……um….um….arggh….agony…..think, think….um….um….ooh, yes, I must be non-binary!” 🙄

I find it particularly sad when girls and women do that. Who do they think the gender stereotypes benefit most? Clue: it’s not women. Every time they declare a ‘gender identity’ they’re reinforcing and strengthening these stereotypes.

I didn’t feel comfortable being referred to as a woman until I was about 30.

It wasn’t a sex/gender thing tho, it just felt like a big, serious word that didn’t belong to me.

I suspect there is a lot of freedom to be found within the Woman = Adult Human Female concept.

Strip away all the loaded guff and all it means is a female human over the age of majority. A girl is a minor human female.

Being a girl or a woman doesn’t dictate how you dress, the activities you enjoy or the skills you can develop. It doesn’t mean you have to be a wife or a mother. It just means you have a female body.

‘Big Gamete Energy’

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I just saw a few articles that made me think how are the young so sure about this nonsense? So sure that we’re the bigots who just can’t grasp it.

Do they really think they can change the world by making up a shed load of erroneous identities?

Yes what is this?

The ideology is genuinely confusing young people.

I met a reidentified woman (a former transman) who told me she thought she couldn’t possibly be a lesbian because she knew she didn’t fancy TW and never would, and as TWAW, she must be something else?

Amongst her peer group is was more socially acceptable to be ‘gay transman’ who was exclusively ‘T4T’ (‘Trans for Trans’ so transmen who only has relationships with other transmen) than it was to be a lesbian (non PoMo definition!) even though both lesbians and T4T transmen are female monosexual homosexuals!

There is a generation of older teens and young adults who have had so many words redefined in order to accommodate men who wish to be women that they no longer know if they are coming or going.

It’s why we must insist on plain language even if our kids howl and deride us as bigots. They’ll come out the other side eventually.

@PurpleBugz They don't want to be a woman -

This, I could sort of understand. As in 'don't want to be treated as a woman' because misoginy and patriarchy.

But in this discussion it became clear that it was purely about the label. This person was arguing that a 'transmasc' could be a 'female + femenine presenting + she/her' person. So basically, the only 'masculine' aspect was not to be called woman? 😳

@McGonagallshatandglasses - They have been taught that accepting that 'label' restricts them.

But they seem to think that the label in itself is the problem, right? They do not reject femeninity, or gendered language, or anything at all. It's totally vacuous.

It's like me saying I don't want to be a carnivore, and request to be called vegetarian, while still eating meat (and thinking that there is something profoundly different about me!)

I thought it was a female who identified/presented as masculine.
Apparently not, you can be as femenine as you want, as long as you do not call yourself woman.

You are right, I am trying to understand the thought process, but there isn't one.

The thought process is something like ‘biological boys and men can be gender non conforming and they are celebrated for liking stereotypical girl stuff (see Drag Race) and I like make up and glitter and want pink hair too so if I call myself a boy, I will be celebrated for liking girly stuff’

Have a look at the subreddit called ‘FTM femininity’

It’s what kids are taught via the Genderbread Person’s

That gender identity (being a man or a woman) gender expression (masculine and feminine clothing and behaviours) and sex (male or female bodies) are all completed separate and can come in any combo.

Following the GenderBread Person blueprint, of course it’s possible to be a female bodied teenager who performs stereotypical femininity and wears make up and a tutu skirt but to still be a ‘man’ because gender identity is some inner sense of something or other, expressed only via your pronouns in bio (and by drawing on a mascara moustache occasionally).

It’s being taught in schools.

Sorry/Not Sorry for the DM link!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11919573/amp/Teaching-resources-gender-identity-revealed-Rishi-Sunak-says-hes-concerned.html