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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NZ Prime Minister said if schedule had allowed he would if joined counter protest

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Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 21:48

So yeah. The NZ PM would have happily supported the rainbow community, after all the violence he’s happy to support it. See video in this tweet. NZ PM won’t let women speak

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosey_nz/status/1640786474953232388?cxt=HHwWiMDS_eGmn8UtAAAA

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nilsmousehammer · 29/03/2023 07:31

Well he's honest about it.

"I'm pro violently battering women into their place, silently under men, permitting them no rights, and trying to kill the ones who open their mouths to say 'I have a problem with this'. Vote for me!"

Women across the world: we're only going to get one shot at this, while we still have votes, and I am not in the least flippant when I say that. Do you and your daughters want equality of humanity or not?

Slothtoes · 29/03/2023 08:07

100% agree with you. This is not a drill. This is an emergency for women’s rights

NotHavingIt · 29/03/2023 08:11

RealityFan · 28/03/2023 22:54

At this point, Western politicians, especially left/liberal/progessive/green, are displaying both terminal signs of herd mentality, and purity spirals.
Even if I give some the benefit of the doubt, that they "genuinely" supported trans activist rights (demands, more like) at the start, in a haze of virtue signalling #BeKind, #NoBullying etc, now the herd has taken over where you're swept along with greater and greater fervour, to even marginally step out of line is hugely damaging to your reputation and critically, status within the group.
And which gaggle of humans trades on status more than others by far? Yes...politicians, especially those ascending the greasy pole.
Purity spirals then kick in, as to maintain profile within the herd and to maximise chances of improving status, the dissenters from the cause, especially within your group, must be put down and put down hard.
In politics it's so visible, because the virtue signalling is just a front for pure hypocrisy.
It used to be more for personal gain (cash for Q's, expenses scandals, ex-PM lobbying scandals) or to cover up personal failings (family values cabinet in 90s promoted by philandering Tory ministers), but now it's the huge chasm in believability on social justice issues like trans activist rights.
And on the left, this poison of herd and purity is reaching untold depths of sheer narcissistic bullying in nations like NZ, and also Aussie, Canada especially, and more and more, Scotland.
Posie was at the mercy of the purity herd, and now this Liberal MP currently is facing down this beast.
Of course, herds can also turn, and turn fast...
That's what we're all curious about, and desperately hoping will happen...

Good post!

Kucinghitam · 29/03/2023 08:11

RealityFan · 28/03/2023 22:54

At this point, Western politicians, especially left/liberal/progessive/green, are displaying both terminal signs of herd mentality, and purity spirals.
Even if I give some the benefit of the doubt, that they "genuinely" supported trans activist rights (demands, more like) at the start, in a haze of virtue signalling #BeKind, #NoBullying etc, now the herd has taken over where you're swept along with greater and greater fervour, to even marginally step out of line is hugely damaging to your reputation and critically, status within the group.
And which gaggle of humans trades on status more than others by far? Yes...politicians, especially those ascending the greasy pole.
Purity spirals then kick in, as to maintain profile within the herd and to maximise chances of improving status, the dissenters from the cause, especially within your group, must be put down and put down hard.
In politics it's so visible, because the virtue signalling is just a front for pure hypocrisy.
It used to be more for personal gain (cash for Q's, expenses scandals, ex-PM lobbying scandals) or to cover up personal failings (family values cabinet in 90s promoted by philandering Tory ministers), but now it's the huge chasm in believability on social justice issues like trans activist rights.
And on the left, this poison of herd and purity is reaching untold depths of sheer narcissistic bullying in nations like NZ, and also Aussie, Canada especially, and more and more, Scotland.
Posie was at the mercy of the purity herd, and now this Liberal MP currently is facing down this beast.
Of course, herds can also turn, and turn fast...
That's what we're all curious about, and desperately hoping will happen...

I agree!

NotHavingIt · 29/03/2023 08:15

Out of interest, what is the political mood music on the ground in N.Z at present, now that Jacinda Ardern is gone. I hear there is a lot of discontent at escalating social and cultural issues ( much like everywhere else - and a bit like in Scotland)

Can anyone offer a fairly dispassionate account? There are elections coming up this year - what are the main issues annd how is it looking.

Justme56 · 29/03/2023 08:31

My understanding is that they have a big housing problem. The last thing I read said they were knocking them down faster than building them.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 08:32

@NotHavingIt tbh it actually seems a similar mood to uk and other countries. A post covid cost of living issue everywhere. Ardern quit because she knew she couldn’t win, they were doing badly in the polls. Other than money issues, there’s a lot of concern about the rise in gang membership ( dep where you are in nz ) and the Govts soft approach to them and to crime in general, lots of discussion regarding sentencing of violent criminals and sex abusers. The flooding and cyclones have added to discontent. Flooding is an ongoing issue. The costs of both are enormous for such a small country. A serious lack of housing, as always that will be a major election issue. It looks like Labour will still win but neither party is good for women’s rights.

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Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 08:32

Snap @Justme56 !

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Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 08:33

So housing, crime and cost of living increases, covid recovery. My take on main issues

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NotHavingIt · 29/03/2023 08:42

Thanks!

So what are the reasons for Labour potentially winning again?

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 08:49

National have struggled to find a competent leader people actually like. NZ liked the attention having a ‘be kind’ PM got them internationally. She was the opposite of someone like trump. More like a celebrity. They didn’t care about the detail. Now the housing issues Labour didn’t address sufficiently may be what loses the election. I just think national aren’t offering much to kiwis as an alternative so I doubt they’ll make it.

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HagoftheNorth · 29/03/2023 09:08

Merlinslostmarbles the tra protest “behaved well”

Really???? Did you see the footage? Do you think it’s ok that a woman ended up in hospital? The women were completely peaceful, but you’re suggesting it’s ok that they got physically attacked because of what you think they were going to say?

You might want to have a quick check on your moral values

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 10:47

anon666 · 28/03/2023 23:10

No but he is a misogynist right wing loon straight out of the handmaid's tale. Surely we can't rely on this kind of dinosaur?

Our governments for the past 13 years have been run by alumni from the obnoxiously privileged Bullingdon club at Oxford. Surely compared to Jacinta Arden it's no contest?

There are many ghastly things about JRM but he's actually known for being very courteous, including to Labour women MPs. Which is more than can be said about many of their own Labour colleagues.

Even (the equally ghastly but very different from JRM, politically) Mhairi Black says so.

That matters. Part of the reason the TRA debate has become so toxic is that TRAs have been allowed to conduct themselves in a wholly irrational way, that allows for no debate. Of course, 'no debate' was a conscious tactic on their behalf, but their enablers on the Left should not have facilitated it. Once you let any group scream down its opponents, you are asking for trouble .

Westminster is ‘defunct & I hate it’ claims SNP Mhairi Black

SCOTTISH independence from the “depressing and defunct” Westminster “is going to happen”, SNP’s Mhairi Black has claimed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778314/Nicola-Sturgeon-Mhairi-Black-Scottish-independence-Westminster-SNP-Jacob-Rees-Mogg

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 11:35

anunlikelyseahorse · 28/03/2023 22:33

What a nob, he's just alienated half his voters 😂. As for the reporter standing next to him, her facial expression speaks a 1,000 word, I reckon if she had a kipper she would have happily smacked him round the chops with it.
Posy isn't even against the trans community, she just wants women to be safe, sheesh the ignorance and idiocy knows no bounds.

He is ice skating into a hole after the two Scottish first ministers.

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 11:39

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/03/2023 22:50

This Rees Mogg?

‘When asked whether a woman can have a penis, the Brexit Opportunities Minister said “no”, before referencing the Bible.
Mr Rees-Mogg said: “God made man in his own image. He made man and he made woman.’

i can’t see how that makes him a trans believer.

Rees Mogg is polite and understands what a woman is.

You may disagree with him on various matters and he will think it's your job to change nappies, he isn't the type to punch you in the face.

RosaBonheur · 29/03/2023 11:46

MerlinsLostMarbles · 28/03/2023 23:28

2 arrests out of a crowd of over 2,000 statistically would imply the counter protestors were overall well behaved. 2,000 people is a lot.

There were some incidents on the other side as well- Marama Davidson was hit by a motorcycle in NZ, and in Australia an Aboriginal senator Lidia Thorpe was knocked to the ground. Both women were trans supporters.

I think you should worry less about Merlin's lost marbles and more about your own.

The trans activists did not behave well. They assaulted women who were merely trying to speak.

The two incidents you are referring to have nothing to do with Posie Parker or any of the other women's rights campaigners.

crosstalk · 29/03/2023 14:50

@MerlinsLostMarbles There's also the nuance. Most of those called TERFS are pro trans, but not at the cost of women's rights. However many of those called TRAs are pro trans but forget about women's rights and, it appears, science. And, it appears, are bullies. Name me a TRA rally where TERFS have threatened physical violence.

Helleofabore · 29/03/2023 15:21

MerlinsLostMarbles · 28/03/2023 23:28

2 arrests out of a crowd of over 2,000 statistically would imply the counter protestors were overall well behaved. 2,000 people is a lot.

There were some incidents on the other side as well- Marama Davidson was hit by a motorcycle in NZ, and in Australia an Aboriginal senator Lidia Thorpe was knocked to the ground. Both women were trans supporters.

I wouldn't be so confident about your stats there.

The assaults that are now being evidenced with footage is growing. And you might think 'well behaved' is measured by the very low measure of 'arrests' but the reality is the entire world who is connected to the internet and has chosen to watch the footage has now seen the violence and the intimidation used.

Plus, the message that is beginning to seep through and it will gain traction over the coming months, is that the people who are so very proud about their protest successfully stopped Maori and other women from recounting their concerns and stories to others. That is what was stopped.

So worth crowing over isn't it? The optics are that thousands of protestors stopped women from speaking freely in a democratic society with violence. So much violence that is very plain to see.

Davidson was hit by a motorcycle that had nothing at all to do with the women at the rally. You are showing just how much you are lacking in critical thinking there.

And Lidia Thorpe was deflected from her approach towards Kellie Jay Keen that was fast and she was clearly aggressive. She was deflected by an Australian Federal Police person who is trained to use those techniques in those situations. Lidia Thorpe, an Australian senator, could have asked to speak as did other senators. In fact, a woman spoke in support of gender identity being prioritised over sex at that very event. So, it was open to Thorpe to do so.

She chose not to. Just as she chose to lie down and block the progress of the Sydney Mardi Gras / Pride parade recently. The organisers had to have her removed. Do you have anything to say about that?

Or just here to show that you read headlines without any actual understanding of these events or the people involved?

1Week · 30/03/2023 00:32

Lydia Thorpe went for Posie AND blocked a Pride parade?
That does seem very inconsistent

Helleofabore · 30/03/2023 08:38

1Week · 30/03/2023 00:32

Lydia Thorpe went for Posie AND blocked a Pride parade?
That does seem very inconsistent

I think that Thorpe is a divisive person who seems to quickly get off-side with even the groups she professes to support.

Thorpe has a family background of strong women working to make life better for women but Lidia seems to be all about Lidia. But that is just my opinion.

I think any person who tries to use the ‘but she was manhandled’ misses the point a trained Australian Federal Police officer used methods that he would have been trained in to deal with a person deemed a threat who was on the move. it is clear that Lidia Thorpe was aggressively approaching KJK. She was not just standing there protesting. She was walking quickly and decisively towards KJK.

Don’t like the method used, take it up with the AFP. If he didn’t follow protocol, complain.

Don’t attempt to portray Thorpe as an innocent ‘peaceful’ protestor though. She demonstrably was not. It is foolish to attempt to do this.

Whaeanui · 30/03/2023 08:40

I think any person who tries to use the ‘but she was manhandled’ misses the point a trained Australian Federal Police officer used methods that he would have been trained in to deal with a person deemed a threat who was on the move. it is clear that Lidia Thorpe was aggressively approaching KJK. She was not just standing there protesting. She was walking quickly and decisively towards KJK.

Exactly. She wasn’t a protestor, she was a potential threat to Posies safety in that moment. It will be investigated but it has nothing to do with Posie.

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SinisterBumFacedCat · 30/03/2023 10:27

I’m fairly new to this and have only just started paying proper attention to it, but I think personally this is the first time I have seen the leader of a first world supposedly liberal country actively condone and celebrate violence against women and it absolutely chills me to the bone.

1Week · 30/03/2023 10:37

It's frightening isn't in SinisterBumFaceCat

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/03/2023 10:46

it is clear that Lidia Thorpe was aggressively approaching KJK. She was not just standing there protesting. She was walking quickly and decisively towards KJK

The first time she approaches KJK, the police/security manage to shepherd her away. She then lunges towards KJK at least twice more. It's only on the 3rd or 4th occasion that she falls to the ground. It's not clear from the video whether she falls or is tackled by the police but, either way, as soon as she is down, the police stand back and ask her to get up. If they did tackle her, they did so only after she had repeatedly attempted to get to KJK, which seems entirely appropriate.

Whaeanui · 30/03/2023 10:53

Exactly @MissLucyEyelesbarrow

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