More than 60% of Scotlands trans prisoner began transition after being sent to prison

[BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn]

"Data obtained under Freedom of Information Act shows 12 of 19 in custody identified as the opposite sex ‘after their date of admission’"

The Scottish Prison Service did its best to obscure the answer. Seven of the 19 are held in the female estate, and the SPS response said: “of those seven, less than five individuals in our care were recorded as beginning their transition after their date of conviction”.

So that's 4 then, 4 out of 7.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/27/60pc-scotlands-trans-prisoners-began-transitioning-convicted/

[Headline says 'after being convicted', but the numbers seem to include those on remand]

Also worth noting that of the 7, 4 are convicted and 3 are on remand. All 4 of those actually convicted are there for a violent crime. But a non-sexual violent crime (at least on this occassion) so that's all absolutely fine. (/s)

it has a name, something like Conviction Onset Trans something or other

No. This cannot be true.

How transparent! I’m disgusted than anyone one, especially anyone transitioning post crime, should be able to enter the female estate.

Who'da thunk it?

Rapid prison onset dysphoria.

Rapid prison onset dysphoria.

thanks. My mind went completely blank there

When you say it has a name- is that like a clinical label? Isn’t it just them billy bullshitting trying to get in a female prison?

It's tongue-in-cheek - not sure who invented it.

Very appropriate GIF

Oh sorry 😂 I thought it was literally a term being used. Nothing would surprise me anymore

No shit.

Ha I know what you mean. It's a Helen Joyce coinage.

Useful data for when Humza gets to court with his case for reform.

He's going to have to explain his method for identifying if they are "at it".

To be very serious for a moment. Trans people (the real ones, that Humza can apparently identify when the rest of us aren't allowed to) should be aghast at shit like this, at all the TRA stunts, to be honest.

It is in their best interests to roll back the Trans label to people with genuine, diagnosed dysphoria, because they are losing support due to things like this.

Female prisoners, faced with a fourteen stone six foot man exposing himself in the communal showers, will not care whether he is “at it” or not - he shouldn’t be there. Whether he is a man “genuinely” pretending to be a woman, or a man “falsely” pretending to be a woman.

I agree, but this whole thing is really exposing a lot of things that genuine trans people have no interest or investment in. This is not what they want.

It may not be what they want but it's what an awful lot of us told them would happen. And apparently we were right.

Well quite. We warned and they allowed their issue to be hijacked, so I'm not really losing sleep over it. Aside of the fact that really vulnerable, mentally vulnerable people, will suffer in the long term.

The TRAs don't give a flying fuck about that of course. The whole thing is an utter shit show, and while I'm happy the TRAs are waking the average person up to their shithousery, the fact remains that there will be losers in all this.

Who do you think will be “losers” and what exactly do you think they will lose?
Trans people already have the same rights as everyone else. They will (hopefully) just not gain the extra right to invade women’s single sex spaces against the wishes and without the consent of the women.

Not rights, but the violence of the activists means trans people who were previously just trying to quietly get on with their lives risk losing the polite social accommodations that most people were previously willing to extend.

This is who they are in the 2020s

I think you have maybe an idealistic view of genuine trans people from a time that is gone.

Genuine trans people now are like this. These people that we're experiencing today.

There's no genuine group waiting in the wings. This is what genuine trans people have built for themselves.

Trans people were the ones who decided that the trans umbrella should be wide enough to cover transvestites as well as transsexuals. Press for Change (Christine Burns, Stephen Whittle and others) decided that 'trans' was a good word to use as an umbrella term, because it included part time cross dressers as well as those who had undergone physical transition.

This thread from 2018 is quite informative.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

I know what the background is, but I'm also aware that (like feminists) trans people aren't a homogenous group and that some of them are really against others (I've been looking at Blaire White's YouTube channel lately and listening to some of the things Buck Angel says. It's eye-opening)

I agree that there have been lone voices in the wilderness warning about this for ages, and that some people have taken a long time to wake up to what has happened. I still think that there will be losers, and i feel for them.

They switch back to male after release as well, it’s an option for men without a GRC who fancy having sex with lots of women while in prison.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-prisoners-switch-gender-again-once-freed-from-womens-units-qjjsd0nlx

OP, is this related?

Police Scotland to be quizzed over rapists who identify as women

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/139b3c7e-c8cf-11ed-84e7-e2697ffed9a9?shareToken=dc792c1773e87defa7d1d1b8ab2212eb

"Police Scotland face being questioned by MSPs after the force told a Holyrood committee there were “no known cases” of someone born male but identifying as female being charged with rape.

The comment was made in a submission to Holyrood’s citizen participation and public petitions committee last November, less than two months before Isla Bryson went on trial for raping two women.
...

Police Scotland had said in November that “there are no known cases where a biological male has been charged with the physical crime of rape and has self-identified as a woman”.

Don't know how this fits in:

Half of Scots believe Westminster right to block Sturgeon’s gender reforms

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d6fede12-a7cf-11ed-a7e8-7a5fed5c43c4?shareToken=2f22314247e9bb3ec5b1ad844766bd9e

"The analysis emerged as the chairman of the Scottish Police Federation said Scotland’s force had not been consulted on the new law...."