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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

At least 1000 sex offenders avoid a criminal record by apologising to their victim

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FOJN · 28/03/2023 07:28

Police issued community resolution orders for 1064 sexual offences in 2021 and 2022.

Lincolnshire Police issue the 'sanction' for four child rapes, including one which involved a girl under the age of 13.

Some of the sexual offences may have occurred between consenting underage children where, although the incident is recorded as a crime, police believe it would be too severe to take a teenager to court for punishment.

I take issue with the phrase "consenting underaged children". Those cases could plausibly relate to sex between a 15 year old and 17 year old but the age of consent remains 16 and it's irresponsible to claim a child can consent to sex.

I've observed a growing trend towards restorative justice over the last 5 years, it's seems to be used more often in cases where the victim is female and the offender is male. Some police forces are using it to resolve domestic violence cases.

How stupid to do have to be to think re-traumatisimg victims for the benefit of the offender represents justic served. How many rape/sexual assault survivors would want to face their attacker to receive an apology?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11904791/At-1-000-sex-offenders-avoided-criminal-records-past-two-years-apologising-victims.html#comments-11904791

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VoodooQualities · 28/03/2023 07:52

I suppose there might be a kernel of truth somewhere hidden beneath all the exaggeration and obfustication in that article, but it's so very hard to tell.

stinkfaceison · 28/03/2023 08:06

It's called restorative justice . They do it for Abu too . It's about saving money. It's costs to send people to court , It's about not exceeding targets .

stinkfaceison · 28/03/2023 09:05

Sorry meant Ang

stinkfaceison · 28/03/2023 09:06

Ang

stinkfaceison · 28/03/2023 09:06

Actual bodily harm

RoyalCorgi · 28/03/2023 09:18

The Manchester arena bomber was a violent offender who was allowed to "apologise" to his victim. This meant he wasn't given a criminal record and neither was he referred to Prevent:

https://feministdissent.org/blog-posts/some-lessons-from-manchester/

Some lessons from Manchester

The Manchester Arena bombing has important lessons about the relationships between terrorism, misogyny and religious fundamentalism

https://feministdissent.org/blog-posts/some-lessons-from-manchester

gold22 · 28/03/2023 09:28

Victims wishes are taken in to account for this outcome

Rightsraptor · 28/03/2023 09:34

I'm glad to read that victims' wishes are taken into account @gold22, as I was wondering how much choice the victim has in accepting the apology. So I assume if the victim is not minded to accept it, a criminal prosecution might go ahead.

I'm sure the authorities would never put pressure on any victim to accept an apology to make their own lives easier.

FOJN · 28/03/2023 09:39

Rightsraptor · 28/03/2023 09:34

I'm glad to read that victims' wishes are taken into account @gold22, as I was wondering how much choice the victim has in accepting the apology. So I assume if the victim is not minded to accept it, a criminal prosecution might go ahead.

I'm sure the authorities would never put pressure on any victim to accept an apology to make their own lives easier.

Exactly this.

"Well we could go to court but it will be tough to get a conviction, now hand over your phone, tell me what you were wearing and how many people you've ever had sex with."

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Felix125 · 28/03/2023 09:45

Some victims don't want to go through the court processes and relive the offence again & again - so RJ is a better option for them.

It also depends on the nature of the offence

If the victim wants to pursue the matter further, then the case will be passed to CPS for a charging decision.

The crime is also recorded against the offender.

adulthumanfemalemum · 28/03/2023 10:07

I totally agree this is unacceptable in the case of sexual abuse, rape etc , especially where it's sn adult and an under age child.

I know legally children can't consent to sex but what else do you call it if two 13 year olds choose to have sex? I do think punishing teenagers in sexual relationships with people their own age would be pointless and potentially harmful.

FOJN · 28/03/2023 10:13

I know legally children can't consent to sex but what else do you call it if two 13 year olds choose to have sex? I do think punishing teenagers in sexual relationships with people their own age would be pointless and potentially harmful.

I agree, it was the wording I took issue with.

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Felix125 · 28/03/2023 10:29

I agree - or when one 13 year old touches the hair of another and its perceived as sexual

In theory its a sexual assault - but if the victim doesn't want to purse it further - then RJ may be the better option.

Redbird87 · 29/03/2023 22:15

They can apologize by running their weaponized sex organs through one of those deli ham slicers.

Boiledbeetle · 30/03/2023 02:25

The annoying thing is when as a victim you would actively like a chance to take part in some form of restorative justice and sit down with the person to discuss the crimes committed against you its virtually impossible to do. Then the system works totally in favour of the wants of the criminal (although apparently for some reason they become a lot more willing to engage with the process when their parole panel is coming up! Make of that what you will).

SinnerBoy · 30/03/2023 02:46

This is shocking, I mean, I was dumbfounded to learn the other day that more than 600 rapists and paedophiles were excused prison, over the past ten years.

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