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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:05

Danana · 29/03/2023 18:15

They do include all these things, as well as working to improve race equality standards and disability equality standards. It’s very disappointing to see people cheering on this government’s demonisation of jobs with a direct responsibility for uncovering and addressing things like lack of women in senior roles, sexist hiring practices and the gender pay gap.

Show me some evidence that having EDI staff or EDI training improves these issues. All the big advances in legal rights were made before any of these things existed. Since the advent of EDI as A Thing, women's rights have gone rapidly into reverse.

EDI just produces group think - it is the enemy of true diversity of opinion, which is what any organisation needs to thrive.

Howpo · 29/03/2023 19:06

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:01

Personally I’d be happy to see MORE money spent on diversity and inclusion budgets for these NHS bodies if they would include eg anti-sexist training and data measuring and anti-homophobic training and data measuring. Plus pro-safeguarding training as part of ensuring actual diversity and inclusion.

Jesus, no. Diversity & Inclusion and training are total grifts already. The last thing we need is to combine them into a meta-grift.

Two million people work for the NHS. They already average at least 10 hours per year of 'culture' mandatory training - D&I, conflict resolution etc - so that's 200 million person hours lost from patient care.

Yes, the aims of having greater diversity and inclusion are good ones - but they aren't the outcomes that are actually delivered.

Its 1.4m and my DD has been there for 2 years and never done any diversity or culture training, she is front line.

Don't know where you get your numbers from & as i pointed out, the Govt themselves have a whole directorship on Diversity.

PaterPower · 29/03/2023 19:10

uncovering and addressing things like lack of women in senior roles, sexist hiring practices and the gender pay gap.

I def WOULD cheer them on if they were achieving any noticeable gains in respect of these issues. But I don’t see VFM from EDI teams there either.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:13

Howpo · 29/03/2023 19:06

Its 1.4m and my DD has been there for 2 years and never done any diversity or culture training, she is front line.

Don't know where you get your numbers from & as i pointed out, the Govt themselves have a whole directorship on Diversity.

1.4 million are directly employed by the NHS. That excludes everyone who works in primary care.

And I do not believe that your DD has never done any of this training. Aside from the question of who on Earth keeps their mother updated on their mandatory training schedule, it is compulsory to have training in these topics, and I am sure she will have had them at induction and since. If she does not remember them, that rather makes my point.

People always think that 'training' is the answer. It isn't. Training is not useful or retained unless used.

Core Skills Training Framework - Skills for Health

https://www.skillsforhealth.org.uk/core-skills-training-framework/

Danana · 29/03/2023 19:29

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:05

Show me some evidence that having EDI staff or EDI training improves these issues. All the big advances in legal rights were made before any of these things existed. Since the advent of EDI as A Thing, women's rights have gone rapidly into reverse.

EDI just produces group think - it is the enemy of true diversity of opinion, which is what any organisation needs to thrive.

In-house EDI training isn’t about winning legal changes. It’s about actually making those legal wins real on the ground… whether that’s making sure your senior staff don’t keep appointing people who look and talk exactly like them, getting departments to consider accessibility issues, showing how flexible working can actually benefit teams, or identifying where particular groups are being given all the least interesting work or denied development opportunities.

Danana · 29/03/2023 19:33

I’m not an EDI professional though, so that might be a simplistic description. That’s just some of what I have seen.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:42

Danana · 29/03/2023 19:29

In-house EDI training isn’t about winning legal changes. It’s about actually making those legal wins real on the ground… whether that’s making sure your senior staff don’t keep appointing people who look and talk exactly like them, getting departments to consider accessibility issues, showing how flexible working can actually benefit teams, or identifying where particular groups are being given all the least interesting work or denied development opportunities.

And all those things are admirable in practice, but they are not how EDI pans out in practice. Look at how instrumental it has been in undermining women's rights within the NHS - EDI was the Trojan horse that let in Stonewall. EDI enforces rainbow lanyards and gaslights women on 'single-sex' wards about men in the next bed. EDI replaces 'mother' with 'birthing parent' and makes female staff afraid to object.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:42

admirable in principle

Danana · 29/03/2023 19:58

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/03/2023 19:42

And all those things are admirable in practice, but they are not how EDI pans out in practice. Look at how instrumental it has been in undermining women's rights within the NHS - EDI was the Trojan horse that let in Stonewall. EDI enforces rainbow lanyards and gaslights women on 'single-sex' wards about men in the next bed. EDI replaces 'mother' with 'birthing parent' and makes female staff afraid to object.

it might be different experiences. I’ve seen the positive things I described happening in practice, but I’m sure there are plenty of things people get wrong. And the colleagues I know who wear rainbow lanyards choose to do that and are positive about it, but there may well be some who do it despite feeling they would rather not.

KatMcBundleFace · 29/03/2023 20:18

He needs to act quickly.

The NHS are discussing Ovarian Cancer Awareness Month on Facebook

"Symptoms of ovarian cancer can be caused by lots of things, which can make it hard to diagnose. It’s important to be checked by a GP if things don’t feel normal for you, or if any symptoms continue or get worse."

For more information, visit ➡️ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ovarian-cancer/

They don't mention which sex has ovaries in the post at all.

Women do eventually get a mention on the website, but look at the difference between prostrate cancer causes and ovarian. Where is the gender waffle on the mens post?

Steve Barclay, health secretary, orders  NHS bodies to rethink Stonewall ties and scrap diversity officers
Steve Barclay, health secretary, orders  NHS bodies to rethink Stonewall ties and scrap diversity officers
Slothtoes · 29/03/2023 20:27

The Daily Mail has more details of this-https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11902765/amp/Health-Secretary-calls-NHS-quangos-ban-diversity-officers-review-memberships-Stonewall.html

As I said before Steve Barclay is just posturing, this is just politicking: you can tell by this quote: ‘A Whitehall source said: 'These NHS bodies should be spending money on patient care and frontline services rather than diversity and backroom bureaucracy.'

So not ONE single one of the bodies mentioned as written to provides patient care or frontline services. Not one of them. That would be… the actual NHS. And the NHS which DOES do these things, is not funded by any one of these NHS bodies. Never has been.

The ones on the list are all back office- they are inspectors of the NHS care or research or it’s treatment standards or private medical care etc. Like the CQC, NICE, the UK Heath Security Agency, NHS Blood and Transplant, the NHS Counter Fraud Authority, the Human Tissue Authority. The whole fucking essential purpose of these organisations is ‘backroom bureaucracy’ . They are there to make sure the front of house actual health providers do their work properly, safely etc.

Are the Tories seriously saying that we shouldn’t have those checks and balances? because that would be terrible for patient care.

So at very best, what Barclay is doing sending this letter is all for show and completely irrelevant to the work these organisations do. Does Barclay even know what they actually do? This kind of crap makes me feel desperate that these stupid Tory men are in charge of anything to do with the NHS..

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