Humza Yousaf - how bad will it be?

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Just seen HY promising to deliver for all, yadda yadda. How much of a disaster is this for women's rights? Will he be able to reignite the GRR or has the moment passed?

It'll be fine, he doesn't want to have to face the media and explain why male rapists should be in women's prisons. It didn't go well for his predecessor and I can't imagine his mosque are supportive of gender pish either.

Hmm I don't fear him putting Isla B back in Corton Vale or anything, but I do worry about more subtle reforms couched under 'respect for both sides', 'moving forward' etc.

I hope I am wrong!

Based on his record of delivery to date, the union - and women's rights - have never been safer 😉

It may or may not be fine for GRR, but it is terrible for children in terms of what they are taught in school, the school guidance for trans identified children, the work the NHS is doing on GIDS standards (while insisting Cass doesn’t apply up here) etc. I can only hope he doesn’t last long.

Despite what I said on the other thread, he's just announced he WILL challenge the UK government on its decision to block the GRR bill.

On the plus side, sunlight, etc.

I've got a sore hand from punching the fridge and my partner had to tell me to calm down. @RoyalCorgi yes sunlight, it's been a long winter.

Is he on glue?

I wonder how insulated he is against the other scandal that seems to be brewing in the snp?

Apparently Scottish Labour wanted Humza to win. Perhaps because he is on the same page of them re SelfID. They didn't want Kate Forbes to win.

The Greens will vote him in as he will do as he's telt.

So no immediate Holyrood election.

For Gender Critical people in Scotland Alba is now the number one choice.

@RoyalCorgi really. Argh.

Is that just posturing or does he have a chance there?

From the Wings over Scotland website (who has been agin HY since the start of the process:

The great unknown in this election was just who the SNP membership was. No poll could tell us, and with over 50,000 people having quit the party in the last three years, nobody knew who was left. But we know now: idiots.
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He has to do that in order to get endorsement from Scottish Greens who prop up the SNP. Otherwise a Holyrood election is called

My forehead is bruised from hitting it off the table! I couldn't believe that the SNP have endorsed him. It's not that he's even a competent politician whose views I disagree with - he's just a massive egotist.

I can see this being the end of the SNP.

If this is correct then Starmer will find himself in quite the pickle, won't he?

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Otherwise a Holyrood election is called

No it is not.

Holyrood has been governed perfectly ably by minority government in the past. The SNP/Green government is a formal coalition as opposed to the more ad hoc arrangements of the past. The Greens leaving the coalition does not automatically trigger a Holyrood election. The only way that comes about is if no FM can be elected and a majority of MSP's vote to dissolve parliament early. Even in the event Forbes had won and the Greens refused to govern with her, even then it would have been unlikely to result in a SGE because it would have taken a huge rebellion by her own party to prevent her being elected FM, and there is no sign whatsoever that was ever on the cards.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX I was assuming that the so called opposition parties would not vote him in and he would be dependent on Green support.

It's possible he's very stupid - I don't discount that possibility. But perhaps he just wants to keep the Greens on board so he doesn't have to start his stint as First Minister in charge of a minority government.

That would require something that has never occurred at Holyrood before, namely every single non-largest party MSP refusing to recognise largest party right to for government, and voting for some other candidate as a bloc, including the likes of Green MSP's voting for Douglas Ross.

i.e. never in a million years going to happen

This he wont want it to re surface isn't it still blocked anyway ?.

Can't a non-tame journo ask him if transmen can train to be imams? If not, why not?

Thank you for explaining @XDownwiththissortofthingX

In that case, in answer to the question, I see things going badly in Scotland. Humza and Anas both pro self ID

What will happen if he takes the GRR block to court?

If scotgov loses, is that it over, forever?

If scotgov wins, is that it over, forever?

Ffs, he knows exactly what a fecking woman is. Why are these politicians all such fucking pricks?

Transfer of male-bodied prisoners to female prison estate and vice-versa is currently prohibited and there is no will to change that, but challenging S35 goes way beyond matters relating to GRR Bill in any case.

No pro-independence FM can retain any credibility while they meekly submit to Wesminster vetoing bills passed with the overwhelming support of cross-party MSP's within Holyrood, especially so when the justifications cited in the specific order in question are laughably tenuous and have clearly been cobbled together in a panic.

It's a precedent that no FM should countenance, because it will inevitably lead to a slew of arbitrary and petty S35's over the coming 18 months until the Tories are emptied at the next GE.

If the Supreme Court rules in favour of SG (hah! like that's going to happen), then the S35 will be withdrawn and GRR Bill passed to the Lords.

If the Supreme Court rules in favour of UKG, then S35 will remain in place, and the GRR Bill in stasis until it is re-submitted to a more amenable Westminster Government, possibly with amendments.

It's not going away given that it's clearly still a policy goal of all of the main Scottish political parties besides the Tories, but what happens next will be decided by the outcome of the next UK GE, and how the ruling party at Westminster stands on the issue. If it's a Starmer Labour government, then they're going to have to do a bit of dancing on a pinhead if they want to defy their own Holyrood branch office, hence why I believe they would accept an amended Scots GRR Bill.

It was so close (decided by just 1010 votes) that Peter Murrel’s manipulation, by refusing to let members know so many had left, could well have been significant.

in the first round re voted against him than for him.