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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MASSIVE Win for Women's Free Speech in the US

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Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 18:00

While the US certainly leads in free speech, many feminists have lately worried about the erosion of this constitutional right in light of trans activism.

A recent 9th Circuit Court victory upheld women's rights to free speech, that women in certain states* now have the constitutional right to freely express that women are female, and men are not women.

Other notable wins for women with this court ruling:

That the First Amendment allows women to express their recognition that womanhood is not a subjective identity.

“the inclusion of men who identify as women in feminine spaces will undermine the hard-earned progress made by women in society."

Protects women’s right to be a discrete class under the law

Paves the way to a future where single-sex spaces may one day be recognized as a constitutional right.

*California, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii, and multiple US territories

womensliberationfront.org/news/victory-ninth-circuit-upholds-womens-free-speech-decision

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/03/2023 18:03

Thank you for posting this

looks like great news

QueenHippolyta · 20/03/2023 18:12

WOLF and Kara Dansky are great. I wish the idiot WPUK/JKJ leftists would get over themselves and support their American sisters: Left,Liberal, Center, Conservative - All women!

Donteventhinkofcallingmecis · 20/03/2023 18:14

How wonderful to see some positive news for a change.

DameMaud · 20/03/2023 18:16

Wow. That IS massive!
Thanks for posting the good news OP.

nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 18:20

Great news!

And yes. Single sex spaces, female only, should be a constitutional right for every female across the world.

Floisme · 20/03/2023 18:29

Thanks op, I don't pretend to fully understand US politics but this looks important!

ResisterRex · 20/03/2023 18:41

This does look like good news. IIRC, there was some performative controversy over WoLF "defending" a beauty pageant that some purposely seemed to refuse to understand. And which is well explained in your link.

Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 18:52

QueenHippolyta · 20/03/2023 18:12

WOLF and Kara Dansky are great. I wish the idiot WPUK/JKJ leftists would get over themselves and support their American sisters: Left,Liberal, Center, Conservative - All women!

WOLF and Kara Dansky are both leftist feminists so not sure why they don't?

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Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 18:55

ResisterRex · 20/03/2023 18:41

This does look like good news. IIRC, there was some performative controversy over WoLF "defending" a beauty pageant that some purposely seemed to refuse to understand. And which is well explained in your link.

While encouraging beauty pageant participation is rarely a feminist cause d'jour, defending women's rights to have sex-specific competitions and events IS feminist, IMO. Also, in the US, beauty pageants provide scholarship money for college.

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Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 18:58

Floisme · 20/03/2023 18:29

Thanks op, I don't pretend to fully understand US politics but this looks important!

It really is. It means the 1st Amendment is acting as it should and that it will be very very hard for any man demanding access to female only events to try another case like this as this ruling is upheld.

How this will work with Title IX and pushes to add "gender identity" will be very interesting.

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QueenHippolyta · 20/03/2023 19:15

Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 18:52

WOLF and Kara Dansky are both leftist feminists so not sure why they don't?

Because WOLF and Kara Dansky work with conservative orgs...
conservative women needs their rights ensured too; we're all in this together!

nepeta · 20/03/2023 19:30

QueenHippolyta · 20/03/2023 19:15

Because WOLF and Kara Dansky work with conservative orgs...
conservative women needs their rights ensured too; we're all in this together!

This is almost entirely because none of the traditional feminist organisations wanted anything to do with this issue (they are all captured) and neither did any organisations on the left side of the US political aisle.

Their choice was to do what they did or to stay silent and spread out as nice doormats for others to wipe their dainty shoes on.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 19:59

Wild that this seemingly huge win came about using a beauty pageant as the vehicle.

Reminds me of how crazy it is that saying ‘humans cannot change sex’ is now protected in the U.K. as a ‘belief’ rather than as material reality.

But the law is a strange beast and we are doing the best with what we’ve got on both sides of the Atlantic.

Well done to WoLF for recognising the legal utility in what, on the surface, seemed to be an unusual cause for feminists to support!

Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 20:05

Their choice was to do what they did or to stay silent and spread out as nice doormats for others to wipe their dainty shoes on.

Completely agree. Dansky, WDI and WOLF, & Martina Navratilova are the only larger US leftist feminists who seem to do much at all. (I know I'm leaving out some smaller, local rad gem groups who work tirelessly within their own communities).

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ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 20:10

Fantastic, well done to women of the US!

GrumpyPanda · 20/03/2023 20:44

Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 18:58

It really is. It means the 1st Amendment is acting as it should and that it will be very very hard for any man demanding access to female only events to try another case like this as this ruling is upheld.

How this will work with Title IX and pushes to add "gender identity" will be very interesting.

Would you happen to know anything about the specific judges behind this verdict? Given the overall composition of the 9th circuit, unlikely this was only conservative appointments? If so, that would be encouraging indeed.

Delphinium20 · 20/03/2023 20:54

Circuit Judges were Susan P. Graber (Democrat and appointed by Dem Governor and went to school w/ the Clintons), Carlos T. Bea (appointed by GW Bush), and Lawrence VanDyke (appointed by Trump).

So mixed politically.

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Codlingmoths · 20/03/2023 21:07

Washington and California! That’s wonderful.

raspberrywine · 20/03/2023 21:14

Great news. Don't know much about US politics although I know California has well and truly drunk the Kool-Aid.

My question is: how much of an impact this will have on women prisoners who have to share their space with men who say they are women?

TheBiologyStupid · 20/03/2023 21:40

Codlingmoths · 20/03/2023 21:07

Washington and California! That’s wonderful.

And Oregon! My sister, born in the UK but now a US citizen and living just outside Portland, won't be happy. 😂

SinisterKnitter · 20/03/2023 22:01

Fab news 🎉

Codlingmoths · 20/03/2023 23:24

TheBiologyStupid · 20/03/2023 21:40

And Oregon! My sister, born in the UK but now a US citizen and living just outside Portland, won't be happy. 😂

Yes and Oregon! I also have a sibling in those regions who will think this is a victory for hate because WHY would a women want a female sex only space?? 🤯

TheBiologyStupid · 20/03/2023 23:36

Codlingmoths · 20/03/2023 23:24

Yes and Oregon! I also have a sibling in those regions who will think this is a victory for hate because WHY would a women want a female sex only space?? 🤯

I'm doing my best to keep chipping away. She finally agreed that "Isla Bryson" shouldn't be in a women's prison - I'll be hitting her with the dreadful details behind Barbie Kardashian's offences soon.

Abhannmor · 21/03/2023 07:07

Why that odd mixed bag of States though - and not others?

SummerSazz · 21/03/2023 07:15

If it is only a selection of states how would this influence inclusion of men in women's national and international sports? (Not sure what the US stance on this is currently)