I was in a comic shop yesterday and there were

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3 men, dressed head to toe in baby pink. Frilly skirts, very short skirts, over knee socks, bows everywhere. Wigs (varying shades of pink) Size 11 Mary Jane shoes.

They were being SO loud. And in the middle of Manchester were talking in fake American accents, with that certain way they talk in dubbed animes, I can't explain it but where they sound shocked about everything.
They were picking up books and shouting 'Omg I love thisssss! "

They must have all been mid thirties.

They just took over the whole shop with what they were wearing, their loudness and shrieking.

I left because I didn't want to say anything as I'd be in FB within the hour for being a TERF.

My point is not a single real woman in that shop or any others I went in that day were behaving like that.

None.

What do they think they are pretending to be??

I know not possible but would actually be interesting to see for ourselves this outfit instead of just your account of it
Just going by experience on here and seeing threads like this before going "that outfit OMG" and it turned out to be nothing like being made out 😬

@gogohmm Copying your favourite character isn't sexual it's just fun apparently. As long as the parts of the body considered private are covered, whether it's frilly knickers doesn't matter. No different to being uncomfortable with what some women choose to wear, it's a free country

Yes that's how I see it too

I think we all need to decide on and then practice conveying, whatever combination of boredom/contempt/unshockablity will be most disappointing to men like this

We can safely assume men dressed liked that are attention-seekers, so the most hurtful thing from their point of view would be to ignore them completely, as one would a Mumsnet troll. Just like a horse would ignore the pack of terriers leaping up at its face, eventually the dogs fall back, bewildered and embarrassed.

You know there's no law that you have to be credulous enabler of these perverts.

Have a day off.

😂
Someone dressing up isn't automatically a pervert 🙄
None of us apart from OP have acutually seen this costume but here we are.
Oh and no I won't "have a day off." I'm entitled to my opinion.

A man in his 30s dressing up as a porn image of a young child is a pervert. It's just the way it is . The fact that they're going around squealing and making an exhibition of themselves to ensure as few people as possible can avoid being aware of their man arses in frilly knickers shows that the point was to disgust as many people as possible. You might want to defend men going around in marvel film costumes as a bit of fun, but if you need to defend these fetishistic men to do it, you're not going to do any good.

Ok, I'll accept that you don't think a line should be drawn anywhere. That's your business. But it's not an argument that compels agreement from people who have standards.

The trans rights argument differs from the gay and Lesbian rights argument in many ways, but one of the biggest surely is that the reason why people transition are many. We have only recently been able to discuss this., just as we have only recently been able to point out that some of the rights the movement demands come from our rights.

Rights can, indeed, be a pie where when someone gets a bigger slice yours will be smaller. And sometimes that person also gets slices from another pie you are not allowed to taste.

As an aside, I would like to know where the fashion among some transwomen for thigh-high socks comes from, usually horizontally striped ones. Or for dog collars? These seem not to be common in general.

Ugh, American anime voices are annoying enough on the shows (it's the reason I always watch with subtitles), I can only imagine how bad they must be in real life.

I think there is a reasonable possibility that this kind of person really does think some women are like this in real life. Anime obsessed men do not tend to stand out for either their social observational skills or their ability to form any sort of relationship with women (which might give them some sort of indication of what women are actually like).

But almost every male person has a mother in their lives, right? Many have sisters, aunts, female cousins etc. How can some be so blind as to assume that anime figures of young girls or porn actresses etc. are what women are all about?

This is what makes me doubt that these particular cases are about transitioning because the person always knew they were female. As they don't seem to know what 'female' is.

Since the words " sci-fi and fantasy " have been mentioned on this thread and i don't really think it's worth a thread on it's own, i'll just bring to your attention that it seems that Runescape, which is, or used to be, the worlds biggest mmorpg has fallen. New quest due out Monday has the characters using pronouns :-/ smh

I left because I didn't want to say anything as I'd be in FB within the hour for being a TERF.

What did you want to say?

I live in Manchester and haven't seen this but it sounds awful. It's the sort of city where people express their individual style quite strongly (I'm one of them and love this city) but there's a difference between personal style and sexual displaying which is what this is. This is where a distinction needs to be made because it erodes public decency.

It's definitely a fetish, we get them all the time where I work (motorway service station)

It can be quite intimidating at times

A man in his 30s dressing up as a porn image of a young child is a pervert. It's just the way it is . The fact that they're going around squealing and making an exhibition of themselves to ensure as few people as possible can avoid being aware of their man arses in frilly knickers shows that the point was to disgust as many people as possible. You might want to defend men going around in marvel film costumes as a bit of fun, but if you need to defend these fetishistic men to do it, you're not going to do any good.

Well said.

The outfits sound like sexualisation of children. Like they're dressed up as stereotypes of little girls but in a sexualized way.

That's not ok for many reasons including that it lowers boundaries for children seeing it.

Dress how you like as long as you're decent but don't sexualise childhood seems like a good rule.

Obviously not seen the outfits myself but have seen men who do this and in general they are quite a clear massive red flag in regards to safeguarding kids.

Obviously not seen the outfits myself
Exactly. None of us have.

I've seen stephonknee though. Shudder. I really wish I didn't know that men like this existed in the world. I will never be able to delete that atrocious image from my brain.

Still it's a big incentive to safeguard kids better.

Any adult wearing an outfit that sexualizes children needs their hard drive checking.

I have and I've explained.

If you can't imagine what it looks like then Google or try harder to imagine?!

Very, very short baby pink skirts with white netting underskirt short enough to see...

White and pink frilly knickers underneath.

One had fishnets
Another had frilly pink socks, over the knee, with suspender /stocking things attached.

Pink Mary Jane type block heel shoes.

Low V neck ruffled baby pink t shirt with pink fishnet long sleeve top underneath.

One had a pink tshirt that said 'babygirl' on 🤢

Bra showing through because of low neck and bra stuffed (not real or implanted breasts)

Huge pink wigs, all 3 with pig tails. Bows and bobbles. Hair clips with small characters on (something pink with eyes, couldn't see)

Big pack packs, again pink. One was fluffy. One was a Teddy bear type character, maybe a bunny rabbit?

Lots of bracelets.

Hot pink lipstick that just looked ridiculous TBH.

That's the best I can do with description as no I didn't take photos. I wouldn't do that and I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.

It was 100% sexualised.

I'm not Googling to try and show an example of what they were dressed like because I don't even know what I would have to type in to find that 🤢

I don't mean go off and Google, I'm just saying people do dress up as characters and so what?
Maybe I just have a different view as I love comic conventions and have been used to cosplay and dressing up for over 30 years now.
I just don't see a problem with it.

It sounds like what's called lolita fashion.

Lolita is disgusting. Again, the sexualisation of innocence. 🤢

I also don't automatically think any man in a dress who is dressing up must be a pervert which some seem to think