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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone else hear Tim Bale talking about the SNP leadership contest on PM yesterday?

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Bellaisoneluckywoman · 15/03/2023 10:51

There was a discussion about the SNP leadership contest and the gender recognition angle on PM yesterday afternoon. Interviewee was Prof. Tim Bale (Queen Mary's University, London) and I found myself yelling at the radio as he came out with tripe about SNP members skewing older than the general population and therefore having more 'socially conservative' views on this subject (ie GC not buying trans woo). By contrast, he said young people are more 'socially liberal' so 'more comfortable' drunk on the koolaid when it comes to gender recognition.

Why can't people see that the exact opposite is true?! The obsession with gender stereotypes that underpins the trans ideologues is hugely regressive and based on conservative/outdated ways of thinking. I am royally fed up with the attempt to paint GC people as 'right wing' and 'conservative'.

Even Bale acknowledged that 80% of SNP members were in favour of equal marriage so were a 'pretty socially liberal bunch'. Surely these data show him that these people cannot be described as socially conservative - rather they have reached different and considered (logical, intellectually coherent) conclusions on the issue of trans ideology.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k0pc

Starts 42 mins in if anyone wants to listen.

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PatatiPatatras · 15/03/2023 18:28

I didn't get round to watching that but I have to admit I've switched off from the ever moving goal posts.
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HagoftheNorth · 15/03/2023 18:42

I haven’t listened to it, but presumably the reason the SNP lowered the voting age is precisely because SNP members/voters tend to be younger - so the argument isn’t really stacking up?

TheBiologyStupid · 15/03/2023 21:02

I caught this yesterday when cooking. You're absolutely right, OP, although it didn't occur to me when I was listening despite already thinking that gender identity ideology is totally regressive. A failure on my part.

Off topic, but Evan Davis is so wet and tries to be too nice to everyone - I really miss Eddie Mair.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 15/03/2023 21:07

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 15/03/2023 10:51

There was a discussion about the SNP leadership contest and the gender recognition angle on PM yesterday afternoon. Interviewee was Prof. Tim Bale (Queen Mary's University, London) and I found myself yelling at the radio as he came out with tripe about SNP members skewing older than the general population and therefore having more 'socially conservative' views on this subject (ie GC not buying trans woo). By contrast, he said young people are more 'socially liberal' so 'more comfortable' drunk on the koolaid when it comes to gender recognition.

Why can't people see that the exact opposite is true?! The obsession with gender stereotypes that underpins the trans ideologues is hugely regressive and based on conservative/outdated ways of thinking. I am royally fed up with the attempt to paint GC people as 'right wing' and 'conservative'.

Even Bale acknowledged that 80% of SNP members were in favour of equal marriage so were a 'pretty socially liberal bunch'. Surely these data show him that these people cannot be described as socially conservative - rather they have reached different and considered (logical, intellectually coherent) conclusions on the issue of trans ideology.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k0pc

Starts 42 mins in if anyone wants to listen.

I heard this and had exactly the same reaction.

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