This is what happens when women say "No" - Vermont school ban

[Binglebong]

Apologies if this had already been posted - I couldn't see it.

A school in Vermont refused, for reason of fairness and safety, to play against a women's team that had a trans player (presenting female - what is the right word at that age because too young to be transwomen?)

They have now been banned from ALL competitive sports. Because women said no.

It isn't really any wonder athletes are afraid to speak up, is it?

amp.theguardian.com/sport/2023/mar/13/vermont-school-that-boycotted-game-with-trans-player-banned-from-tournaments

Fucking hell, it just never stops. I thought there was finally some realization in the world of sports that it is not fair to put bio males against bio females.

And how the hell can they ban them from all competative sports. I hope the sane people there go batshit.

Vermont is a small state with a small population, much rural and small towns. To find other teams to play would be very difficult

They can only ban them from competitions that they sanction. Time to find or create some different competition opportunities I think.

All the teams need to withdraw, it’s the only way.

I don't think there's any realisation in Canada, they are still full in on the religion of gender ideology.

Vermont isn’t in Canada.

The USA is very much in the grip of gender ideology too.

Quote from the article "Trans rights advocates argue for the inclusion of an already marginalized group that has faced historic discrimination, and threats to their lives."
Threats to their lives? Bit like that "decapitate terfs" sign threatening women then. Don't they realise that threats of death and other violence are just a normal part of being a woman?

The language used in that article is pure propaganda, not journalism. Sickening.

Oh that article. 'Transgender athletes'. The issue, the story, is about male and female. Some transgender athletes are male, some are female. What the fuck happened to journalism.

"Females, your safety and participation is nothing compared to the wishes of a male person and the crime of females saying no to one! You shall be punished!"

WHY do they even bother repeating all the bull that anything more is going on here than the male person's wishes and feelings? This is stark, extreme end binary sex based thinking and sexism. No one believes the male person, with all their privileges and VIP status, is one of the servant class female group who must obey and facilitate or else.

It’s dreadful reporting.

It does illustrate how polarised things are in the USA. You are either a liberal who is all about gender ideology or on the Christian right it seems. This sort of rhetoric leaves little space for any debate at all. So all the people who aren’t in either category stay silent and even blame themselves for not being pure enough of thought and intention.

The Vermont Principals’ Association, an organization that sponsors various school sport activities, ruled that the MCVS had violated its policies and will be ineligible to participate in future tournaments that it sanctions. The move applies to all sports.

“The VPA again reiterates its ongoing support of transgender student-athletes as not only a part of building an inclusive community for each student to grow and thrive, but also as a clear expectation by Vermont state law(s) in the Agency of Education Best Practices, and in VPA Policy regarding transgender student athletes,” the association said in a statement.

It sent a letter to the school saying that Mid Vermont did not meet the association’s policies on race, gender and disability awareness. Mid Vermont has yet to respond to the sanctions.

The inclusion of transgender athletes, especially in girls’ and women’s sports, has been met with pushback from conservatives, with many arguing that transgender athletes have an advantage over cisgender women. Eighteen US states have passed laws that prohibit transgender athletes from taking part in female school sports.

Trans rights advocates argue for the inclusion of an already marginalized group that has faced historic discrimination, and threats to their lives.
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Not one single solitary shiny shit given to the female of the species.

a part of building an inclusive community for each student to grow and thrive

Fuck this shit. How can anyone argue this is fair to all?

Fair to all males certainly. It's sure as hell not fair to females.

It's one massive fuck you to females.

This isn't an inclusive community no matter how much the powers that be try to gaslight women and girls that it is.

Noted that they refer throughout to “transgender athletes”. Presumably the school has no restrictions on female transgender athletes, had anyone bothered to ask. This constant lying is exhausting.

Yes typical Guardian propaganda bullshit “journalism”:

The inclusion of transgender athletes, especially in girls’ and women’s sports, has been met with pushback from conservatives…

…liberals, Democrats, women, athletes, scientists, men who understand fairness and safety and the vast majority of the human population…

with many arguing pointing out the bleeding obvious that transgender male athletes have an advantage over cisgender women and girls.

This is a school. We are talking about children.

Hopefully they can get some lawsuit going and not take it lying down.

One of these cases inevitably has to end up in SCOTUS to determine whether sex or gender is the important part of Title IX.

This was chilling effect in action.

It's awful.

Girls put up with males in sport or don't play.

Remind me who is being discriminated against here?

The liberals in the US have LOST THEIR MINDS over this. I mean how can they not see how awfully sexist and regressive they are being?

Had seen a different article on this and did not realise that the ban applied to all sports for the school, so not just the basketball team punished. For what other offence would a school be sanctioned in this way? Hopefully the school stands strong for the girls and any anger/pressure from parents of other students is focused on the boards who banned them and not the basketball team.

In addition, such an overblown reaction highlights the fact that the boards are aware of the issue and unfairness but just want to shut down any discussion by causing others to fear similar sanctions.

They should set up their own female only leagues with any other schools who would like to take part.

I hope this does end up in court. If a male athlete who thinks he's a boy/man can't play on a woman's team, why is that? Presumably because he's male? The test should be for whether someone is actually, physically male or female - and that can be tested for. Gender ID cannot, so basing sports teams on it makes no sense and is clearly open to cheating, as well as being harmful to female players.

I mean, this shouldn't be happening at all obv and it's insane. But if they did set up a new league, eventually it would probably come to dominate, leaving all the TW to compete with each other. It's what's going to happen anyway in sport if this carries on - being male gives an advantage so all "women's" teams that want to be competitive will eventually become all TW.

Thing is, I suspect that this particular school is easy to ostracise because it’s already viewed by liberals as part of the problem. It’s a Christian school that probably is overtly conservative.

That makes it really easy to dismiss the stance it’s taken as ‘right wing’ and ‘bigoted’.

These categories function so that the groups don’t listen to each other at all, and never recognise where there might be common ground or where the reviled group might actually have a point.

The guardian’s reporting of this is an almost perfect demonstration of this rhetoric.

It has the added advantage of silencing anyone within the ‘liberal’ camp, even getting them to police their own thoughts, because they don’t want to see themselves as conservative. That would be awful. Best not to pursue those thoughts and to seek to cleanse oneself of any questions about whether trans people are actually the most marginalised group that’s ever existed and at risk of violence and genocide if anyone sets biological categories for school sport. That way bigotry lies.

Let’s face it, this is exactly the kind of school that can only be in the wrong from the guardian’s perspective.

You're so right - reading that I felt personally 'wrong' because it said 'conservatives'. Even though logically and in reality I know that it's not just conservatives who oppose inclusion of males in female sports, and it's not in any way bigoted to want women and girls to be able to play and compete fairly and safely.

It's outrageous that just saying they won't play in a game where they don't feel safe, they are punished in this way. Literally - the only way to avoid this punishment would have been for the girls to overcome and ignore their own instincts and feelings and participate in something they didn't want to. Forcing females to do things they don't want to do. Inclusion. Ffs.