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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Addressed as Mx by repair company

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ANameChangePresents · 13/03/2023 17:11

So I logged a repair request for an appliance under warranty.

The local company which was assigned the job sent an email to me to confirm the engineer visit date beginning:

Dear Mx Givenname Lastname

My name is very gendered. Think Jane, Sally or Zoe.

Am I right to be annoyed by this, just on the basis of logical reasoning? If they are addressing me by full name, why do they need to use a pronoun at all? They have dispensed with archaic professional formality the second they use my given name. Why take a guess? And if they are taking a guess, why use the most unlikely pronoun to guarantee they get it wrong for ALL customers bar about 3 in the region?

I could somewhat understand it if they were not using my given name - they are making what they consider (wrongly in my view) a safer play. But this just seems like the worst of all worlds.

I've replied politely on the basis that silence is considered consent on shifting language moires. I'm fed up of being silent.

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ErrolTheDragon · 13/03/2023 17:34

I don't think I'd be annoyed by it tbh. While maybe it would be better to just ditch any honorific, that might annoy more formally-minded people. While your name may be stereotypically 'female', many people's aren't, and imo Mx is better than them guessing between Ms or Mr (and way better than assuming Miss or Mrs, or going with a default Mr).

Chersfrozenface · 13/03/2023 17:42

I was filling in details today and was given the choice of Mrs/Miss/Mx/Mr/Prof/Dr.

No Ms, which is what I've used my entire adult life. No 'Other'. No free text box.

So I ticked Mr. My first name is obviously female. Oh well.

Next time this happens I may go for Prof or Dr. I'm neither, but then I'm not any of the other titles offered, so meh.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 13/03/2023 17:44

I always tick Dr (which I am) as it saves this faff. This choice has been slated many times on here (I got called a pretentious/posh dickhead; this made me chuckle, as would you if you heard my accent 😆)

Pixiedust1234 · 13/03/2023 17:56

I must be old. What/when is Mx used for, and how do you pronounce it?

I think I would get annoyed if it wasn't any of the usual ones though. Stop messing around with things unless you have my explicit consent!

ErrolTheDragon · 13/03/2023 18:02

Chersfrozenface · 13/03/2023 17:42

I was filling in details today and was given the choice of Mrs/Miss/Mx/Mr/Prof/Dr.

No Ms, which is what I've used my entire adult life. No 'Other'. No free text box.

So I ticked Mr. My first name is obviously female. Oh well.

Next time this happens I may go for Prof or Dr. I'm neither, but then I'm not any of the other titles offered, so meh.

Having the other options but not Ms is weird.

PlateBilledDuckyPerson · 13/03/2023 18:03

Pixiedust1234 · 13/03/2023 17:56

I must be old. What/when is Mx used for, and how do you pronounce it?

I think I would get annoyed if it wasn't any of the usual ones though. Stop messing around with things unless you have my explicit consent!

Mx is a gender-neutral title, pronounced 'mux' or 'mix'.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/03/2023 18:05

Pixiedust1234 · 13/03/2023 17:56

I must be old. What/when is Mx used for, and how do you pronounce it?

I think I would get annoyed if it wasn't any of the usual ones though. Stop messing around with things unless you have my explicit consent!

It's used in written communications if the writer feels an honorific is needed but doesn't know which of the 'normal' ones is appropriate or preferred. I don't really think it's meant to be spoken.

Pixiedust1234 · 13/03/2023 18:08

Thanks. Why don't they go back to Dear Sir/Madam instead? (Yeah yeah, nonbinary isn't included i guess). Sighs

donquixotedelamancha · 13/03/2023 18:09

They have dispensed with archaic professional formality the second they use my given name. Why take a guess? And if they are taking a guess, why use the most unlikely pronoun to guarantee they get it wrong for ALL customers bar about 3 in the region?

It's not a pronoun, it's a title. They haven't completely done away with the formality if they are using it.

Presumably they use a gender neutral title because they don't hold data on clients' sex or preferred title? Seems a pretty reasonable choice to me.

BabyStopCryin · 13/03/2023 18:10

Chersfrozenface · 13/03/2023 17:42

I was filling in details today and was given the choice of Mrs/Miss/Mx/Mr/Prof/Dr.

No Ms, which is what I've used my entire adult life. No 'Other'. No free text box.

So I ticked Mr. My first name is obviously female. Oh well.

Next time this happens I may go for Prof or Dr. I'm neither, but then I'm not any of the other titles offered, so meh.

I once ticked to wrong box when doing a pick up from Boots and got a parcel for Mr… no questions asked.

I like the options on some forms - Wing Commander, Bishop… I’m all of them somewhere.

ANameChangePresents · 13/03/2023 18:18

donquixotedelamancha · 13/03/2023 18:09

They have dispensed with archaic professional formality the second they use my given name. Why take a guess? And if they are taking a guess, why use the most unlikely pronoun to guarantee they get it wrong for ALL customers bar about 3 in the region?

It's not a pronoun, it's a title. They haven't completely done away with the formality if they are using it.

Presumably they use a gender neutral title because they don't hold data on clients' sex or preferred title? Seems a pretty reasonable choice to me.

Fair enough - responders are correct it's an honorific.

I absolutely don't see the need for it if they are using my given name. I certainly don't see the need for them to confect one for me, absentia having one on record.

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PlateBilledDuckyPerson · 13/03/2023 18:21

I absolutely don't see the need for it if they are using my given name.

That is odd, leaving aside the 'Mx' honorific. You'd expect either 'Dear Jane Smith' or 'Dear Ms Smith' but 'Dear Ms Jane Smith' sounds unnatural.

carriedout · 13/03/2023 18:23

Pixiedust1234 · 13/03/2023 17:56

I must be old. What/when is Mx used for, and how do you pronounce it?

I think I would get annoyed if it wasn't any of the usual ones though. Stop messing around with things unless you have my explicit consent!

Mx dates back to the 70s, was niche popular amongst those (mostly women) who didn't want to use male/female titles.

Seems to be enjoying a comeback.

Chersfrozenface · 13/03/2023 18:43

carriedout · 13/03/2023 18:23

Mx dates back to the 70s, was niche popular amongst those (mostly women) who didn't want to use male/female titles.

Seems to be enjoying a comeback.

Making a comeback almost entirely among those identifying as non-binary.

Chersfrozenface · 13/03/2023 18:44

To which I would add, people may address me as Ms or by my name, but not Mx, because "non-binary" is a nonsense.

tobee · 13/03/2023 19:09

It would annoy me.

Really I think that titles should be done away with altogether except dr, rev type titles.

artant · 13/03/2023 19:23

Chersfrozenface · 13/03/2023 17:42

I was filling in details today and was given the choice of Mrs/Miss/Mx/Mr/Prof/Dr.

No Ms, which is what I've used my entire adult life. No 'Other'. No free text box.

So I ticked Mr. My first name is obviously female. Oh well.

Next time this happens I may go for Prof or Dr. I'm neither, but then I'm not any of the other titles offered, so meh.

This would make me very cross. I’m Ms and always have been. Happy without a title but not happy with Miss or Mrs.

I remember having to tick a box saying I’d changed my last name to get the CRB form (or maybe DBS, can’t remember which it was at the time) to accept Ms (then tell the next screen I’d had my name since birth).

The young woman from my workplace’s HR department was baffled by my frustration at essentially being made to lie to get the form to accept my name and title. She seemed to honestly believe Ms was for divorced women! Friend who was married but had kept her own name had a slightly different struggle but a struggle nonetheless.

This stuff shouldn’t be hard!

SquidwardBound · 13/03/2023 19:27

personally, they could have avoided this by not using a title at all. Dear Firstname Lastname would be fine.

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