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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Am I reading this right? HoL IWD Baroness Barker... TWAW?

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birchtreeglow · 11/03/2023 22:02

Having looked at the Times article 'MPs to consider gender petition backed by JK Rowling' that someone kindly shared in another thread. I wanted to look up what was said myself.

Baroness Barker said this:
"In the United States and places like Poland and Hungary the focus is on anti-abortion activities. In Africa, the focus is against equality and LGBT rights. In the US and UK, the key focus of this campaign is anti-gender. We are beginning as we go through, to see a greater emphasis on unpicking this campaign and understanding the motivations behind it. The Council of Europe, for example, in 2022 produced a thematic report on legal gender recognition in Europe, which began to show what this campaign is about. Ultimately, it is about the rolling back of human rights and the destruction of human rights legislation and the organisations which are there to protect and promote it. That is a key concern for all women because human right lies at the basis of our equality and equity.

In the UK we know that there is a daily campaign against trans women. We see it day after day in our media. It is a campaign that seeks to pit women against women. It portrays trans women as a significant and systemic threat to other women. I have to say that, after six years, it is a campaign that has yet to provide evidence of that, and it is yet to win significant approval. That is not to say that some politicians have not been taken in by this and have been ever ready to use it to their political advantage. I have to say today that some of us will always reject playing with human rights, because if you play with the human rights of some people, you play with the human rights of all, and if you jeopardise the rights of some women, you jeopardise the rights of all. I hope that politicians in this country will look again at some of the aspects of this campaign and will desist in the demonisation of a very small minority of people in this country. They are at the moment under attack and very frightened, and today, on International Women’s Day, it is important to give them some hope and solidarity...."

Does she not see that there isn't a 'daily campaign against trans women', unless I've missed it, and that what we do have is women standing up for women's rights, women's same sex provision, women's sports, KPSS and concerns about safeguarding women and children?

I understand what she is saying in her first two sentences, but for the rest of it, am I missing something? How on earth can standing up for women's rights roll back human rights and human rights legislation?

hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-03-10/debates/474EBD7D-B33A-49B5-8BCA-6EA39DEE5A95/InternationalWomen’SDay

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/03/2023 22:14

Baroness barker is a fervent believer of TWAW. She works with Helen belcher and is a close associate of Paul Burstow who was Chair of the Tavistock & Portman while mermaids influence of GIDS was at its height.

She’s argued against biological women having anything for themselves in the HoL whenever she can

i have no idea what she gets out of it or how she manages to convince herself that middle aged men are more oppressed than actual women

birchtreeglow · 11/03/2023 22:19

Thanks for the background. I've started to read Time to Think, so I'll no doubt come across the name Paul Burstow.

Her words are just so... twisted.

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IcakethereforeIam · 11/03/2023 22:20

Letting women have privacy from men risks the whole edifice of human rights tumbling down. Gosh!

If it wasn't a peer speaking in the Lords, i'd say she was talking bollocks. No, actually I still think she's talking bollocks.

PriOn1 · 11/03/2023 22:26

She’s been a fanatic for a good while now. Male rights for her, all the way.

Flowersinmai · 11/03/2023 22:28

Ahh those pesky ‘other women’ as is we are an annoying subcategory 😏

Rightsraptor · 11/03/2023 22:29

Liz Barker has form. Ignore her.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/03/2023 22:30

Nominative determinism.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 11/03/2023 23:01

And what of transmen? 🌬🍂

EpicChaos · 11/03/2023 23:11

How on earth do you we clear away all the weeds that have managed to permeate through every crack in every pavement?!

TheBiologyStupid · 11/03/2023 23:37

Barking Barker came out as lesbian during the debates that led to the 2013 Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act. You'd think she would know what a woman is, but apparently not...!

TheBiologyStupid · 11/03/2023 23:42

birchtreeglow · 11/03/2023 22:19

Thanks for the background. I've started to read Time to Think, so I'll no doubt come across the name Paul Burstow.

Her words are just so... twisted.

Burstow is a former Lib Dem health minister - he doesn't come out of the book very well.

NurseCranesRolodex · 12/03/2023 00:04

Reform of HOL is desperately needed.

EpicChaos · 12/03/2023 00:56

Their side has a barker and a woof and they have the cheek to complain about dog whistles! 😶

TheBiologyStupid · 12/03/2023 01:24

😂

Musomama1 · 12/03/2023 07:01

But there is evidence... plenty! Male advantage and female exclusion in sport. TW rapists in women's prisons. TW exposing themselves in female changing rooms. Traumatised women no longer having access to a single sex refuge Death threats from trans activists. Women losing their jobs because of TRAs. Biological men winning both men's and women's awards. AGP males calling themselves lesbians.

Gosh all this pesky inconvenient evidence. I mean, like men, most trans people pose no harm, but like men, some do and in the same proportional risk as males.

Best must ignore all those dreadful transphobic women.

Grammarnut · 13/03/2023 12:12

NurseCranesRolodex · 12/03/2023 00:04

Reform of HOL is desperately needed.

Barker is barking. However, HOL has been messed with enough. Works well as a revising chamber, nut jobs on TWAW notwithstanding.

Grammarnut · 13/03/2023 12:13

Meant to add re HOL that reform would put in more people like Barker, who is a life peer, so it would not help.

purplevipersgrass · 13/03/2023 12:34

What @Theeyeballsinthesky said in the first response. Baroness Barker has been a fanatical trans advocate for years. She's a Lib Dem and Helen Belcher has been working away at the Lib Dems for years, to the extent that no one dares speak up and some of them are trans extremists. I offer you Zoe O'Connell from Cambridge...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3056593/At-election-passion-love-triangle-sex-change-candidate-lesbian-lovers-represent-Liberal-Democrats-course.html

BloodyHellKen · 13/03/2023 13:17

purplevipersgrass · 13/03/2023 12:34

What @Theeyeballsinthesky said in the first response. Baroness Barker has been a fanatical trans advocate for years. She's a Lib Dem and Helen Belcher has been working away at the Lib Dems for years, to the extent that no one dares speak up and some of them are trans extremists. I offer you Zoe O'Connell from Cambridge...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3056593/At-election-passion-love-triangle-sex-change-candidate-lesbian-lovers-represent-Liberal-Democrats-course.html

She is a Lib Dem, say no more.

I used to vote Lib Dem after I lost faith in Labour and their identity politics and now I think they are just as bad, if not worse. Ditto the Greens. It's as if they've lost all common sense and don't actually want to appeal to the average voter.

They've gone from a normal political party, albeit a bit corduroy wearing to the party of 'specialist interests' in less than 10 years. No wonder Tim Farron left 😂

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