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Researcher wants to study the 'transprejudice' of therapy clients

44 replies

isitanywondernow · 09/03/2023 16:33

Seems like a bit of a loaded term to me.

And also, therapy is confidential (with limited exceptions) so I don't see how therapists would be able to share what clients have said in their sessions without consent from the clients.

It's interesting as I have seen a lot of psychotherapy research papers and they generally (for understandable reasons) focus on the client's experience and how to meet the client's needs.

Not sure what the purpose of this one actually is...

Researcher wants to study the 'transprejudice' of therapy clients
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HagoftheNorth · 09/03/2023 16:42

Yes, I wonder how clients would feel, knowing their therapy session is being discussed like this. Interested to see comments from the ethics committee to see how they are going to work around this confidentiality issue.. Or do the rules not apply?

isitanywondernow · 09/03/2023 17:04

The language of the advert is really odd, too.

Interviews "performed by a non-binary researcher".

Qualitative interviews are conducted, not performed. They are a process of encouraging someone's voice to be heard, not a performance piece on the part of the researcher.

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Letstaketotheskies · 09/03/2023 17:08

It sounds like they want to interview gender diverse therapists. I’m not sure they will find many takers…
The researcher is in the Education department, not the psychology department, presumably - since that was the department which gave ethics committee approval.

Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 17:18

Performed by a biased researcher... committed to supporting you in breaking client confidentiality. You are also welcome to change my analysis to fit your prejudices.

isitanywondernow · 09/03/2023 17:19

I'd love to know what their supervisor was thinking.

They also want to interview person centred therapists. One of the necessary and sufficient conditions of being a person centred therapist is being non judgemental.

So they want a judgemental therapists to disclose information from confidential client sessions because they judge the client to have demonstrated transprejudice.

Good luck with that.

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Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 17:23

I am sure there are some victims trans therapists eager to share about their awful clients to a sympathetic ear. Especially one who is prepared to let you rewrite the report to fit your narrative.

isitanywondernow · 09/03/2023 17:25

The education department trains Counsellor/Psychotherapists www.nottingham.ac.uk/pgstudy/course/taught/person-centred-experiential-counselling-and-psychotherapy-practice-ma

This looks like a Master's thesis (proposed at least) from a counselling student.

Wow.

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Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 17:27

Could be an undergrad? But I guess a bit late in the year for that, or at least should be a bit late.

I do wonder about the ethics committee though.

isitanywondernow · 09/03/2023 17:36

Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 17:27

Could be an undergrad? But I guess a bit late in the year for that, or at least should be a bit late.

I do wonder about the ethics committee though.

I don't think it's likely to be an undergrad.

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ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 17:51

Should that not have an ethics statement, etc?

ehb102 · 09/03/2023 17:54

There is a serious lack of intellectual rigour in that.

Imnobody4 · 09/03/2023 18:35

Academia is doomed.

MajesticWhine · 09/03/2023 19:48

I would love to see their definition of trans prejudice.
As a therapist I can say that people just
don't talk about their views on trans issues or gender in therapy ever, unless they are either trans themselves or their partner / child is trans (comes up quite rarely). What a load of shite.
The idea of transprejudice contains an assumption that invalidates the research before it's started.

MrGHardy · 09/03/2023 23:05

Should that be " therapists' " i.e. experiences belonging to more than one therapist? And the aim is to ask therapists if they have come across "transprejudice" (whatever this is, heard it for the first time, do they think it is a less aggressive term than transphobic and think the latter would make respondents not reply in the same way? in their clients? And how they respond to their clients' "transprejudice"?

As OP says, why is this in any way relevant? What could the possible conclusion be? To find a way to teach future therapists to fight this "transprejudice" if they come across it in clients? That's not their job. Nor does it even sound ethical.

Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 23:33

It is about supporting the victim narrative.

RotundBeagle · 09/03/2023 23:45

HagoftheNorth · 09/03/2023 16:42

Yes, I wonder how clients would feel, knowing their therapy session is being discussed like this. Interested to see comments from the ethics committee to see how they are going to work around this confidentiality issue.. Or do the rules not apply?

Well, presumably they'll anonymise the findings like pretty much every single study ever published in the history of studies. Most likely, they'll say something like '53% of respondents indicated that....'

I'm gender critical but it's pretty tiresome tbh seeing people twist themselves into knots and feigning faux naivete to try and undermine anything that seems remotely pro trans.

Better to just let them crack on with their daft study and avoid being dragged down with them. Anybody who believes all this woke nonsense and thinks TWAW or that they're the most oppressed minority in the history of oppressed minorities isn't going to have their mind changed by some posters on mumsnet. Others who are on the fence will be put off by petty sniping and bunfighting.

DarkDayforMN · 10/03/2023 00:01

I'm gender critical but I'm here to tell you all what to think about the topic of this thread despite the ignorance of said topic displayed by my posts.

Business as usual, I see.

Shelefttheweb · 10/03/2023 00:09

Ooh a live one! I have to put that on the ‘I’m GC as they come but...‘ thread 😂

TrashyPanda · 10/03/2023 00:16

Committed to… GDPR compliance.

its not like there is a choice!

If this person doesn’t understand that basic fact, it doesn’t bode well.

Shelefttheweb · 10/03/2023 00:18

RotundBeagle · 09/03/2023 23:45

Well, presumably they'll anonymise the findings like pretty much every single study ever published in the history of studies. Most likely, they'll say something like '53% of respondents indicated that....'

I'm gender critical but it's pretty tiresome tbh seeing people twist themselves into knots and feigning faux naivete to try and undermine anything that seems remotely pro trans.

Better to just let them crack on with their daft study and avoid being dragged down with them. Anybody who believes all this woke nonsense and thinks TWAW or that they're the most oppressed minority in the history of oppressed minorities isn't going to have their mind changed by some posters on mumsnet. Others who are on the fence will be put off by petty sniping and bunfighting.

It is a qualitative study. And you completely miss the point that for ‘respondents’ to indicate anything means breaking their clients confidentiality by sharing it with the researcher.

Shelefttheweb · 10/03/2023 00:27

Anybody who believes all this woke nonsense and thinks TWAW or that they're the most oppressed minority in the history of oppressed minorities isn't going to have their mind changed by some posters on mumsnet.

Apparently the lawmakers of Tennessee have.

Boiledbeetle · 10/03/2023 00:41

I love seeing them in the wild like this gets binoculars.

I've had a hard two days screenshotting, so I'm just going to observe and snack.

RotundBeagle · 10/03/2023 01:02

Oo, I might be a TRA in disguise. Better sound the alarm. 😂😂😂

I only skim read the thread tbh but the melodrama is always strong around any trans related topic. Just imagine if it were actually possible to disagree without stooping to their level of disingenuity. If one were able to take the higher ground and not scurry around in a panic every time a pro trans post appears in the wild. 🤔

RotundBeagle · 10/03/2023 01:03

Boiledbeetle · 10/03/2023 00:41

I love seeing them in the wild like this gets binoculars.

I've had a hard two days screenshotting, so I'm just going to observe and snack.

Just imagine. One day somebody might actually ask to see your scrapbook.

TheBiologyStupid · 10/03/2023 01:10

isitanywondernow · 09/03/2023 17:19

I'd love to know what their supervisor was thinking.

They also want to interview person centred therapists. One of the necessary and sufficient conditions of being a person centred therapist is being non judgemental.

So they want a judgemental therapists to disclose information from confidential client sessions because they judge the client to have demonstrated transprejudice.

Good luck with that.

I'd love to see the Research Ethics Committee's response to this one! It really does seem that the normal rules don't apply when the magic words "trans/non-binary" are invoked.