1998

[TheSandgroper]

m.youtube.com/watch?v=6S1qKO03RhQ

Benjamin Boyce is usually unflappable but even he is lost for words in this one.

I watched, what an amazing woman. Her husband was being affirmed and she was being told, by his female therapist, that she was a lesbian in 1998! I'm shook.

@tinselangel have you seen this video? I’m @-ing you just in case.

I wonder if this trans widow had the worse possible luck being where she was geographically at the time, or whether, like fungus, the strands of this ideology were already spread far and wide underground before they mushroomed on the surface for us all to see.

A very insightful watch.

I can't personally be on board with the natural family being "a mum and a dad" (same-sex couples, sole parents where the other person is not in the picture e.g. passed away or courts have found them unsafe.. there are many examples of great parenting that don't always have this natural family concept at their heart) but putting that to one side, this is an incredibly powerful tale.

She's a very strong lady and it's an important message that she is delivering. As she says in the video, her experience is a microcosm of many aspects of gender identity, including in particular examples of some of impacts on children.

I've not watched it yet but I do "know" Tracy.

I can't personally be on board with the natural family being "a mum and a dad" (same-sex couples, sole parents where the other person is not in the picture
She's from Texas it's a different culture.

Apologies for personal and personally in the same sentence. I had just lost a post and hit go before reading.

It was watching Kris Jenner say that she wasn't a lesbian that made our jaws drop. We looked at each other in the house as that KUWTK was aired.

Were these women expected to call themselves a lesbian?

Lessons on calling people cis and the underwear gift to Kylie.

I see my post got deleted. Important to sugarcoat the psychological damage that broken homes can cause for children so that parents don’t get offended.

Or maybe it was the fact I said, words to the effect that, I was appalled by fathers choosing their sexual compulsions over their families…

Actually probably that. Probably some fella took it a bit personally

It's a ticking time bomb in homophobic areas of the states.

Countries with more entrenched gender and homophobic stereotypes tend to be more keen to promote trans

Adding trans to the LGB enabled it to come under the protection of liberal groups

The thing is @WarriorN it seemed with this trans widow in 1998, this was being pushed by clinicians and the courts first, rather than from within ‘liberal groups’. The ‘protection’ came from the establishment itself.

I suppose because of the homophobia?

That’s too vague.

I know that strategic litigation has been used, part funded by the Open Society Foundation. There must also be some directives from higher up within clinical practices. I doubt this was driven by homophobia. I think they were probably persuaded the same way LGB orgs were persuaded.

I remember about 15 years ago a lesbian based in San Francisco was complaining that no lesbians she knew had breasts any more. Probably exaggerating, but this suggests to me that all bases were covered by those promoting these beliefs/radical social changes - left, right, LGB, anti-LGB.

Oh wow so that's been going on a long time

There were posters on MN warning about that back in the earliest days before they created the sections like FWR - so, 2 years after this? It was already anticipated that this would happen.

Worth reading for a history that built up to where we are today.

womenspeakscotland.com/2021/06/23/the-trans-umbrella-is-older-than-you-think/

My DH's cousin transitioned sometime around 1995, and it wasn't new then. Has been going on for a long time under the radar - until the ground was prepared, I think, so that e.g. Stonewall could more easily introduce the LGBT agenda which ensures its survival as a charity (gay rights achieved how else will it keep going?).