International women's day

[starrynightnotsobright]

I know this has happened before, but I am really sick of it all. There are so many Pride events, why can't women have International Women's Day?
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In Ireland
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Perhaps the least we could do on this forum is on 8th March have maybe a series of threads on what each of us think should be discussed on the day.

that would be a great idea

For me: i will continue to share what i find about RAWA and so on, and i will talk about women who inspire me, have inspired me and so on.
And i literally ignore - i simply do not engage - with anyone trying to trans it. If they celebrate women with me, fine, if they start any whataboutery? just ignored. As though it didn't happen.

Because as we often say: I'm not anti trans, i know 2 trans women and they're lovely. But i am pro women. So where things hurt nobody? carry on. Where there is conflict between women and someone trying to do them down, harm them, take their space etc? I am for the women

A thread here on Twitter to name inspirational women.

With regard to local events in my area the local group who does all the stuff for IWD is TWAW hasn't stopped us booking a table! We need to let women in our area know we are there.

The link!
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Hibo Wardere was my first thought.

Wangarĩ Maathai is no longer with us, but if you haven’t heard of her, I highly recommend reading about her many battles against the patriarchy and the achievements of the Green Belt Movement.

"I won't let cis people have one thing to themselves because there's no justification for it"

Good, then, that the IWD is not about cis people as there are very few cis people, given that 'cis' is defined as someone with abstract gender feelings which just happen to match their sex, and most people don't have abstract gender identities but embodied ones, based on living in a sexed body, or none (just call themselves women or men based on their sex).

That person who wrote the tweet must be male because of the assumption that 'cis' women face no oppression. Afghanistan...

To be fair, having seen the whole argument, it was more along the lines of: IWD is for fighting misogyny and trans women experience misogyny.

I thought the line about refusing to let cis people have one thing to themselves was very telling though. This trans activist has repeatedly misrepresented Sarah Summers court battle as Sarah suing a rape crisis centre for helping a trans woman.

@IwantToRetire "Perhaps the least we could do on this forum is on 8th March have maybe a series of threads on what each of us think should be discussed on the day."

I'd like to see a thread celebrating some of the people who post here. The ones who take the time and effort to present thoughtful, articulate, rational arguments in favour of women's rights without resorting to abuse of those who disagree. I've considered myself a feminist for a long time, but you are never too old to learn something new so I really appreciate their input.

My nominations would include you and Boiledbeetle, but definitely not Datun due to the inevitable cheesy puns which would follow. I had to give up cheese 30 years ago for health reasons and I still cry about it every day. I've a Gouda mind to flounce out now and Edam the lot of you.

It's clearer to express the numbers killed in proportion to the sizes of the group the victims belong to. There are many more women and men than trans people, of course, so giving just the counts doesn't tell us which group is more at risk of being killed.

But when you do the work (look at overall rate of people being killed, find out the size of the transgender population, and calculate a similar rate for them) you do find, indeed, in all the countries for which I have seen this data to exist in North America and Europe, that transgender people are at lower risk of being killed than the population in general.

The arguments trans activists use come from South America, especially Brazil, but for those arguments to make sense the trans rates of being killed there must be compared to the overall rates of homicide in the same countries. Homicides are common there, so the rate is higher for all people, too. And very high for sex workers, and transwomen are more likely to work in prostitution there.

A completely different kettle of fish is the assertion that the homicides of transgender people are always assumed to be hate crimes. Doubtless those exist and are dreadful and should be prevented (as should all killing), but most trans victims of homicide seem to be killed for similar 'reasons' as all victims, overall.

But on balance the data we have suggests that transgender people, as a group, are quite safe from homicide. And this should be a good thing, though we should always try to reduce homicide rates as much as possible for them as well as others.

Trans Day of Remembrance is in November. There are loads of days. I think the one in March is the ironically named International Day of Trans Visibility.

Indeed it is! There are simply too many transgender days and months that it's very easy to get confused!

Why should men be included on IWD?

I don’t have any better answer than trans women (usually) consider themselves to be women, some are legally women and they argue that they are victims of misogyny.

However, I don’t agree for a moment that we shouldn’t have any groups, events or facilities which are female only. I think the “Acceptance Without Exception” mantra is actually pretty sinister.

How do we define misogyny?

If a trans woman is seen as female by others and mistreated because of that, then the mistreatment could be due to misplaced misogyny. If a trans woman is not seen as female by others, and the mistreatment is based on that, then it would be due to transphobia.

Tbh I do not care if men consider themselves to be women, they are NOT women and have no place being included (or, let's face it, dominating) IWD.

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A biological male who advocated smashing TERFs out of existence is to speak at an all party Oireachtas event for International Women's day.

Just to add, Oireachtas basically means the Irish government.
So violence against women isn't really an issue if the wrong sort of woman is the target. I cannot think of any other group where this would be accepted.

starrynightnotsobright · Today 18:01

A biological male who advocated smashing TERFs out of existence is to speak at an all party Oireachtas event for International Women's day.

I mean, what the actual? What the Hell are they thinking, for goodness sake? I just have neo idea what to say about it.

The failure of politicians repeatedly to condemn this behaviour is appalling. Look at the mealy mouthed FF response in that gript article.

Have name changed for this, as previous posts plus this could be outing.

My work, a very large county council, are usually very conservative with a small and large C (i'm not, but I generally like my job and the people I work with). I noticed on our Intranet that the organisation are signposting an event for IWD. It features Stephanie Hirst, the DJ, giving a motivational talk, called 'believe, achieve' about her career in broadcasting and the barriers she's faced.

I like Steph Hirst, I think she gets on with her life in a positive way, and i don't doubt she has encountered significant barriers, but do I take issue with her being chosen as an IWD speaker when she's actually been living as a woman for less than ten years... as others have said, there are several trans celebration days throughout the year, in addition to pride events. Surely they would be a better fit?

I have drafted an email to my EDI rep and will be sending it tomorrow.

For a group who supposedly are the most oppressed and discriminated against, and make up a tiny percentage of the population they sure do manage to secure a lot slots for IWD.

Stoke-on-Trent Mothers Support Network (Women of Stoke) will be launching 'Women talk sessions' on IWD and to kick them off, the first speaker is a transwoman. A transwoman who hasn't been shy about mentioning in FB that they use woman's toilets and also about sharing an 'open dressing room with other women' at a private swim school [think Mermaid]. Cause everybody is so inclusive and accepting you see, and totally welcoming.

How would transwomen experience misogyny? They’re not female?

We've been completely colonised

The National Women's Council of Ireland, a publicly funded NGO, intended to represent women. However, for several years now they define a woman as anyone who identifies as one. They have a biological male who identifies as a woman on their board.
They tweeted this for IWD. Obviously, the female symbol was too offensive to be used on a day for women. So the more inclusive trans symbol was more appropriate. 🙄
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