www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/show/20230226-22855/2023-02-26
From around 14 mins.... he's discussing NI Protocol first but then moves on to talk about TW in female estate.
I thought uh-oh when he started off about "female... er, trans female...." but then he got into his stride and I thought was quite straightforward for a general audience.
Never thought I'd see the day I agreed with him!