Girls' skirts policed.

[ArabellaScott]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-64743377

'Girls have been made to enter Rainford High School in St Helens separately to boys and have had their skirt length inspected by male teachers, they claim.

Hundreds of pupils staged a protest against how rules, which have left some pupils in tears, have been imposed.'

925justtostayalive · Yesterday 16:08

I always had a problem at school with the trousers we were made to wear. I'm just about above average height now but I was always tall for my age as a kid.

Here's a similar story, it seems that the head is a Victorian prude:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11790747/Teachers-told-15-year-old-daughter-cover-ANKLES-sexually-attractive.html

Teachers told a 15-year-old schoolgirl she needed to cover her ankles because they might be sexually attractive. Olivia Williams, 15, a pupil at Trinity Academy Cathedral school in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, was told her trousers should not be tight and she had to cover her ankles to avoid 'drawing sexual attraction'.

I mean, what do they do with the piano legs?

And here...at Richmond School.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/23344939.reports-riots-richmond-school-students-banned-toilets/

Apparently more protests planned nationally.

Such safeguarding concerns and breaches. No word at all from the CEO of Arrete Academy Trust. Ofsted and the DfE must take a stance on keeping children safe and healthy.

Yesterday there were riots at a school in Bloxham because of uniforms. Police were called in, the school closed and kids were sent home.

It could be part of a "trend".

Now and again, kids will give a trusted adult a glimpse into their secret world. My friend's kids told me about something they call "trends" that school kids do. I think it's social media-driven. Trends are practical jokes that range from the mild to serious and spread around schools in the country.

At the mild end, at a pre -arranged signal all the kids in a class will pretend to fall asleep at their desks. On the more serious end, furniture and even toilets are removed from the school premises.

I'm wondering if there isn't a "demo and riot" trend going on.

Or maybe the kids are just generally sick of being treated like they are in prison!

To be fair to the head he hasn't said what the girl and her mum claim about showing ankles. On the school website it states:
"Trousers for both girls and boys must be straight legged, full length black polyester
or cotton material with
no coloured stitching or decoration. Skin tight trousers are not permitted. Students must not wear trousers where ankles can be seen."

The ankles part applies to both girls and boys, no mention of sexual attraction.

Or maybe the kids are just generally sick of being treated like they are in prison!

That too! From news stories and talking to friend's kids it seems to me that they have all sorts of mental restrictions that I never had.

Yes, we had to ask to go to the loo during lessons but there was no blanket ban and certainly no red cards for the girls (horrible, that).

We did get one strange headmaster who banned black bras under white shirts in case it distracted the boys. As immature and gross as we were, us lads had got over bra sniggering by the 3rd year.

Sorry not read the whole thread but I sent this report to my school which they said they were going to use in training.

www.letclothesbeclothes.co.uk/girls-school-uniform-report-2021

Skirt length is fine if that is the policy but how it is policed is important. No girl should be told they are a distraction to males, that is victim blaming.

The problem with our school uniform policy is that girls find it hard to get a good fitting pair of trousers and they can't wear anything skinny (which does fit better due to the lycra). The skirt specified can only be bought from a uniform shop, so it is more expensive, boys don't have any specifications.

Our school decided to ban schools from the uniform list. Is was back on the list within 3 hours!

The issue I see here is how it was implemented. Why only the girls and why the focus on skirt lengths? A better way to have done it would have been to inspect all uniforms as I imagine there would have been breaches from the boys even if it was in terms of shoe style or sock colour. This was only the girls and all the girls in the school, regardless of whether an issue had been raised with their uniform or not.

The list I saw on another thread said that skirt or pinafore was compulsory for KS3. So no trousers allowed for girls.

This is so wierd - girls at my school could wear trousers and this was in the 1980s. Oh, and our parents weren't forced to get the clothes from expensive specified shops.

Or maybe the kids are just generally sick of being treated like they are in prison!

Maybe, but given the weird social media stuff that goes around, eating weird shit, gender ideology, kids having tics and claiming to have diseases, I think all of a sudden kids in schools all over protesting about uniforms might be more about what they are seeing on tic tok.

Though it's weird. Last year my kid's school put in a masking policy on the school bus which a lot of the kids hated and was pretty dumb. I suggested to mine that maybe they should think about having some kind of protest if a lot of them felt that way about it. Their response was that no, they couldn't do that, people might think they were anti-vaxxers!

This is what the school deem an inappropriate skirt
Hmm, how many times was it rolled up at the waist when the child was told it was too short?

No that was the picture that a parent sent to the head for confirmation and was told it was too short!

I am torn really as a teacher. Many times I have had to ask a girl to unroll her skirt - butt cheeks on show/leaning over a desk and thong visible etc. As an older female teacher I feel like I can do this without the risk of being called a 'nonce' as happens to male teachers, or a lesbian as happens to younger females. Some girls don't want to wear trousers.
These days PE uniform tends to be skorts.
Personally the whole uniform warrants an overhaul - not many adults are in full suits these days - surely a more relaxed uniform would help.

No that was the picture that a parent sent to the head for confirmation and was told it was too short!

I see. It's hard to understand; I guess if asked, that is an above the knee skirt and if uniform says below the knee then you're not going to say yes that's below the knee. If the policy literally says "knee length" they're pushing it because that isn't precise to start with.

It's hard to imagine someone getting pulled up about that length in normal circumstances. But if there are lots of people playing silly beggars with it, and school have had to call a general check, I suppose they have to default to the letter of the law or they get a load of grumbling about why's hers okay and mine isn't.