Canadian prison service data on gender diverse inmates

[BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn]

Thr Canadian prison service has started collecting proper data on gender diverse inmates.

90% of transwomen have committed violent offences, and almost half have committed sex offences.

Over 80% of sex offences by trans prisoners were in the most serious categories and led to death or serious injury; 48% were against minors (plus 12% against a mix of adults & minors). And the vast majority were committed when the perpetrator was living in their original gender.

Summary, with link to the full thing www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/005008-r442_E-en.shtml

Article picking out some of the 'highlights'. (I don’t know how the DW usually stands as a news outlet, but in this case it leads with a link to the original study, and has screenshots of tables of the original data, so it seems a reasonable source.)

www.dailywire.com/news/9-in-10-trans-women-in-canadas-prisons-are-violent-nearly-half-convicted-of-sex-crimes-study

Try again with the links

www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/005008-r442_E-en.shtml

www.dailywire.com/news/9-in-10-trans-women-in-canadas-prisons-are-violent-nearly-half-convicted-of-sex-crimes-study

But the problems are all in our evil terfy imaginations. The men told us so - it must be true, the men always know.

Man alive

The report found that 91.7% of male inmates who identified as transgender women surveyed were incarcerated for a violent offense
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25.8% of male inmates (who identify as male) were serving sentences for a violent offense

Horrifying stats.

I wait with baited breath for Canada to wake the fuck up

The evidence keeps coming back, doesn't it? World wide. The stats are always so much higher than they are for men in general.

But TWAW so this is proof that women are just as bad... right

Is it that men who enjoy role playing as women are disproportionately violent, or that violent men can see that claiming they enjoy role playing as women obtains special privileges?

does it even matter?

Are you saying some people are pretending to be trans?

BUT that never happens!!!

My first assumption was that, being Canada where unquestioned self-ID is very much the thing, a major factor would be prison-onset GD to get into the nicer women's prisons. But looking at the transfer request stats, a very large number hadn't asked to be moved to the women's estate, despite it being incredibly easy to do so until very recently.

I don't know whether transwomen in the male estate also get special treatment or their own, nicer accommodation?

I have no personal expertise about this question so be forewarned on that, but I recently read someone online who stated that they worked in the prison system in some country (US, Canada, or UK, but can't remember which), and in that system trans women in male prisons do get treated somewhat differently from other inmates, such as having a single cell and being allowed to shower alone etc. The person who wrote the post I refer to here also stated that some trans woman are vulnerable in male prisons while some are the ones others fear.

As I said at the beginning, I can't vouch for any of this, but I have seen several discussions where people who work or have worked in various prison systems state that reality is less black-and-white and more nuanced than activists from either side like to admit.

For instance, rape does exist in male prisons, but it's not an everyday occurrence, and there's quite a bit of violence in women's prisons, too, though much more self-harm. (Surveys I have seen suggest the same, although I would like to see if the questionnaires used are identical in all prisons). Vulnerable male inmates are usually protected by being housed separately from the main group etc.

But then prison staff also has its own agenda. Still, it's a good idea to keep in mind all the different aspects of this problem.

Interesting. Yes, single rooms, separate showering etc makes sense - so declaring trans status could still be a way to get a nicer time even without a transfer to the other estate.

Of course if it were simply a manoeuvre to get a single cell, you'd expect a wider range of criminals to try it. Not just the violent ones.

There was certainly one tw offender in a Scottish jail who claimed his human rights were being breached because he wasn't allowed to shower with 'the other women' and he won his case.

What did the women think of this? No idea. Nobody asked them.

But to those who say 'nuance', 'keep an open mind'. No. Women's prisons are for women nor vulnerable men. Under any circumstances whatsoever.

I didn't refer to the placement decisions when I was discussing the need for nuance. Not at all!

I meant that we need a critical stance about the statistical data and assertions various activists offer us when judging all this. Just like politicians, activists tend not place a high value on trying to be neutral on these issues.

For instance, trans activists argue that trans women will get raped in male prisons in extremely large numbers, and that this is why any man who desires to be moved to women's prisons should be allowed, just on the basis of declaring himself transgender (as the New York state proposal would allow).

But the statistical data from several countries tells us that rape in male prisons is not as common as the activists state to begin with, and the person I discussed in my previous tweet who said that they had worked in a prison system also stated that some trans women in male prisons are not victims of violence but its perpetrators.

None of this changes my stance on sending transwomen into women's prisons which is that this should not be done. If possible, third spaces should be the answer here, too, or the same arrangements that are done to protect other vulnerable prisoners in male prisons (pedophiles, police officers etc.)

It’s possible that prisoners with violent and/or sexual offences have longer sentences than the general population so there’s more incentive to try to work the system in that way.

Clearly some proper research needs to be done to understand the specific phenomenon of violent/sexual offenders discovering trans identity while in the criminal justice system.

Apart from anything else, it’s in most trans people’s interests to start exploring the different groups and phenomena that are all being shoved in the ‘trans’ box.

But to those who say 'nuance', 'keep an open mind'. No. Women's prisons are for women nor vulnerable men. Under any circumstances whatsoever.

I think that there is a case for nuance…

But it’s a completely issue to where and how male prisoners should be housed. Prisons should be single sex in all circumstances.

But there is a lot of value in trying to understand what is actually going on. What is leading to these very weird outcomes? There is unlikely to be a simple black/white answer to it, but it’s definitely worth figuring out why violent and/or predatory men are so disproportionately identifying as trans.

Theres lots of value in embracing the nuance and keeping an open mind about all the different phenomena we are currently not supposed to disaggregate because it’s would be unkind and bigoted to not affirm anyone who says they are the opposite gender to their sex.

It’s curious that TRAs aren’t the ones leading the charge to disaggregate this stuff. Why would you not want to separate out potentially opportunist attempts to work the system among a group of especially problematic men from your cause?

It's curious that TRAs aren’t the ones leading the charge to disaggregate this stuff. Why would you not want to separate out potentially opportunist attempts to work the system among a group of especially problematic men from your cause?

Because that would undermine the TWAW mantra and they've got nothing else?

So according to Table 2 (pg 14) for "Most serious offence type: sex related" the percentages are 0% for transmen and 30% for transwomen (N=21 and 61, respectively).

For "History of sexual offending" we get 0 % for transmen and 44.3% for transwomen.

It's almost as if sex offending prevalence matches sex at birth. Whoever would have guessed?

Presumably.

I suspect, some people possibly think that any harm done to women by the opportunistic predators is acceptable collateral damage to their cause. Sometimes TRAs almost say that out loud.

It's almost as if sex offending prevalence matches sex at birth. Whoever would have guessed?

Amazing, isn't it?

I noted that 'requested transfer to the opposite sex estate' was another 0% for transmen. Funny that.

I have read that they have special treatment from the other inmates. 😮🤫

I think we had an example on a thread about a month ago where it was explained that female prisoners being raped and terrorised by male prisoners was 'for the greater good'.

(But sex definitely isn't binary and there definitely aren't two classes one of which gets expected to take on all the shitwork for the other one as a biological birthright. And there definitely is a toothfairy.)