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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Non-consensual sexual activities

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JellySaurus · 16/02/2023 10:05

I have a question about non-consensual sexual activities, both those that require physical contact and those that don't.

Why is it generally men who do these things, and not women?

It happens worldwide and across eras, so I can't believe that it is cultural or entirely down to socialisation.

Is it purely biology? If so, why don't women on testosterone exhibit these behaviours? Does their socialisation restrain them? Or do they simply not have the 'urge'?

Why do some men never do them, even though they may be dominators or controllers in other aspects of their lives?

What causes these behaviours?

OP posts:
ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/02/2023 10:06

You mean rape?

Why don't women rape.

Well its something to do with a lack of a penis.

Sazzasez · 16/02/2023 10:10

I think it’s more than rape.

Exhibitionism, voyeurism, making & distributing non-consensual porn... these are typically but not solely male crimes.

Paraphilias seem to be overwhelmingly commoner among males.

JellySaurus · 16/02/2023 10:10

No, not just rape. I specifically said both those that require physical contact and those that don't. So upskirting, for example, or flashing.

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WarriorNun · 16/02/2023 10:11

I think it's a mix of biology and social influences, including personality

Comefromaway · 16/02/2023 10:13

Women & girls do, do those things. Just not in such a big percentage. I think its a mix of social conditioning and (in younger males) hormones

Nimbostratus100 · 16/02/2023 10:15

Comefromaway · 16/02/2023 10:13

Women & girls do, do those things. Just not in such a big percentage. I think its a mix of social conditioning and (in younger males) hormones

hormones have nothing whatsoever to do with it - it is personality

maddy68 · 16/02/2023 10:16

It definitely isn't confined to men.

Have you ever seen a group of women on a hen night ?

My brother is a singer and is frequently groped , bum pinched. Flashed boobs at

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/02/2023 10:16

I think a lot of it is male entitlement and not seeing women as people in the same way as other men.

Paq · 16/02/2023 10:18

Women and girls are commodified for men's sexual gratification. Men and boys are brought up believing that they must be "virile" to be a "real man". Porn addles the brain. Men abuse women because they can, there's rarely any repercussions on them.

Triffid1 · 16/02/2023 10:18

Comefromaway · 16/02/2023 10:13

Women & girls do, do those things. Just not in such a big percentage. I think its a mix of social conditioning and (in younger males) hormones

Proportionally women and girls doing these things is fractional.

I agree it's an interesting question. But While OP comments that it's across cultures and eras I would argue that overall, most human cultures have tended to prioritise men and be patriachal. It would be interesting to see in a culture that was genuinely equal, or matriarchal, what the difference would be.

TulaDoesTheHula · 16/02/2023 10:21

There have been some studies that have shown sexual violence within lesbian relationships to be as high as 50-55%.

Newbutoldfather · 16/02/2023 10:21

At least some of it is perception.

if a woman is kissing a man and she touches his penis, it is unlikely the man would feel violated and, even if he did, unlikely he would complain about it. Equally, if a woman flashes, unlikely many would complain, even less that it would be recorded as a crime.

finally, we have a long tradition of men being expected to ‘make a move’ and for a woman to encourage or reject it. Not saying whether this is biology or cultural, but it is still true, albeit less than it was.

it is easy to say ‘men’ are more likely to be sexually predatory, and it is also true, there are more predatory men than women. But, there are some predatory women and genuine misunderstandings also exist.

Fairislefandango · 16/02/2023 10:25

A bit of biology imo (higher reproductive drive due to being able to potentially impregnate multiple women, not limited by having to go through the danger and pain of childbirth etc) resulting in prioritising sexual gratification over other things most women would consider more important. But mostly socialisation into a belief (conscious or subconscious) that women's main purpose is to provide sexual gratification (and service in general) for men.

Naunet · 16/02/2023 10:26

TulaDoesTheHula · 16/02/2023 10:21

There have been some studies that have shown sexual violence within lesbian relationships to be as high as 50-55%.

Can you link to one of these studies? I ask because the only one I’ve heard of is one that showed lesbians have experienced sexual violence at a higher rate than straight women. MRAs ran with that and claimed this violence was at the hands of other lesbians, but when you actually looked at the study, they’d experienced it at the hands of men.

bbgx · 16/02/2023 10:26

maddy68 · 16/02/2023 10:16

It definitely isn't confined to men.

Have you ever seen a group of women on a hen night ?

My brother is a singer and is frequently groped , bum pinched. Flashed boobs at

That is true. I feel for these examples, they're done because they think they can get away with it/think it's funny rather than because it's erotic/arousing to pinch a random man's bum

Beowulfa · 16/02/2023 10:27

The only time I've seen women make suggestive comments at or attempt to grope men has been in groups, emboldened by alcohol, and usually on a Hen Night. I've never seen a lone woman do anything like this.

Comefromaway · 16/02/2023 10:28

hormones have nothing whatsoever to do with it - it is personality

Young, teenage boys are fuelled by testosterone. Social conditioning & personality mitigate this but some do stupid things if they are in an environment where it is seen as acceptable. SO as I said before, a mixture.

Comefromaway · 16/02/2023 10:28

Newbutoldfather · 16/02/2023 10:21

At least some of it is perception.

if a woman is kissing a man and she touches his penis, it is unlikely the man would feel violated and, even if he did, unlikely he would complain about it. Equally, if a woman flashes, unlikely many would complain, even less that it would be recorded as a crime.

finally, we have a long tradition of men being expected to ‘make a move’ and for a woman to encourage or reject it. Not saying whether this is biology or cultural, but it is still true, albeit less than it was.

it is easy to say ‘men’ are more likely to be sexually predatory, and it is also true, there are more predatory men than women. But, there are some predatory women and genuine misunderstandings also exist.

I'd agree with this.

Runningonempty01 · 16/02/2023 10:28

maddy68 · 16/02/2023 10:16

It definitely isn't confined to men.

Have you ever seen a group of women on a hen night ?

My brother is a singer and is frequently groped , bum pinched. Flashed boobs at

Very unpleasant behaviour, i am sorry your brother has been sexually assaulted i hope he feels able to report this to the police/ management of where he works., It seems that there are rare and specific situations where women behave like this. Whilst the list of things mainly done by men is grimly endless. Indecent exposure, unsolicited sexual images, cat calling, groping, child sexual abuse, rape and sexually motivated murder is so dominated by male offenders.

CompleteGinasaur · 16/02/2023 10:29

TulaDoesTheHula · 16/02/2023 10:21

There have been some studies that have shown sexual violence within lesbian relationships to be as high as 50-55%.

Could you cite specific studies, please? As an older lesbian with a long and varied history of relationships of lengths ranging from one night stands to over 25 years probably totalling around 50 in all (non monogamy was almost compulsory for a while in the 80s!) I am frankly sceptical of this assertion..

Nimbostratus100 · 16/02/2023 10:30

I agree its common in women too

I stopped going out with one group of women from work because of their attitude to some of the men we worked with, they carried score sheets on amount of "accidental" physical contact they had achieved, and with higher marks for different physical areas.

This was carried out in normal day to day interactions, not after drink, although the score sheets were compared in pubs / coffee bars etc

Naunet · 16/02/2023 10:32

Jesus Christ, why are we seeing so many “women are just as bad” comments on the feminism board? It’s patently untrue.

Comefromaway · 16/02/2023 10:33

I have heard several young teen males talk about situations where they have met a girl and they have received unwanted physical attention/remarks or been sent unsolicited pictures. It's made them feel uncomfortable, but they don't complain for fear of being laughed at.

Mango101 · 16/02/2023 10:47

Evolutionary biology.
Pattern across most mammals, genes express different behaviour between the sexes, to maximise reproductive success - for genes, nothing else matters.

Runningonempty01 · 16/02/2023 10:49

Naunet · 16/02/2023 10:32

Jesus Christ, why are we seeing so many “women are just as bad” comments on the feminism board? It’s patently untrue.

It's awful so patently untrue, a few examples of woman behaving badly at hen dos compared to the appalling and ongoing history of sexual violence and murder against women and girls . It just not the same!!!