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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DD said babysitter told her men can become women

39 replies

Weallgottachangesometime · 15/02/2023 10:03

Wonder how to approach this-

Today my daughter told me that her baby sitter (who is 19) told her men can become women. I can’t recall my daughters etc words but she mentioned something about surgery to make a man a woman. My DD is 6 and so obviously just accepted what she was told.

I basically told my DD the following -
some men and women want to change sex, so a male might want to be female. People can choose to change their names, ask other people to call them different name and can change what their wear or how they do their hair. They can also change their bodies by taking medicine or having surgery but a male will always be a male and a female always a female. I then gave her the example of her dad. Her dad could change his name to Sarah, wear a dress and ask everyone to refer to him as she, he could also have his body changed with surgery. However he would always be a male. He would always have male hormones in his body and would never be female, be able to have a baby or have a womb etc.

I explained that everyone has differ opinions about if people can change sex.

This is a baby sitter we use infrequently so not someone seeing the children regularly and she is generally very good. I’m wondering if I should speak to her about the conversation she had and ask her to avoid sharing her views. However I wonder if, on the other hand, it’s useful for the kids to hear varying opions and that I should help them hear different opions and make up their own minds?

any thoughts?

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MadamAndTheAnts · 15/02/2023 13:22

This is clearly an attempt to indoctrinate your DC with hardcore trend ideology at a young age. It should NEVER EVER have come up. It is WRONG!! You should NEVER allow a third party to indoctrinate your child again!!!

Jellycatspyjamas · 15/02/2023 13:31

I know what a legal fiction is, and adoption isn’t a legal fiction so yes, not a good example on any level.

monsteramunch · 15/02/2023 13:35

Jellycatspyjamas · 15/02/2023 13:31

I know what a legal fiction is, and adoption isn’t a legal fiction so yes, not a good example on any level.

Bizarre thing for that poster to bring up, wasn't it? Very odd.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 13:36

MadamAndTheAnts · 15/02/2023 13:22

This is clearly an attempt to indoctrinate your DC with hardcore trend ideology at a young age. It should NEVER EVER have come up. It is WRONG!! You should NEVER allow a third party to indoctrinate your child again!!!

Give it a rest mate, your ‘jokes’ aren’t funny.

lordloveadog · 15/02/2023 13:37

In adoption, the consensus is that it is best to be open and clear about how the children's family was formed. The adoptive parents are the legal parents and the ones carrying out the parenting.

One of the red flags about sex-denialism is that it encourages concealment and shame about bodies and origins.

Weallgottachangesometime · 15/02/2023 13:50

MadamAndTheAnts · 15/02/2023 13:22

This is clearly an attempt to indoctrinate your DC with hardcore trend ideology at a young age. It should NEVER EVER have come up. It is WRONG!! You should NEVER allow a third party to indoctrinate your child again!!!

I’m assuming this is sarcasm? Or maybe not.

I don’t think she’s trying to ”indoctrinate” in my children. I do think she believes that her beliefs about gender are right and fair and thought, mistakenly, it would be ok to share these views as facts.

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purplecheesecat · 15/02/2023 14:16

I’d simply explain your beliefs to DD, then explain that the babysitter has different beliefs. Then a quick email to the babysitter to say that if similar topics come up, she should avoid talking about them and refer them back to you. Personally I don’t think this is a massive issue

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/02/2023 14:31

MiniEggsz · 15/02/2023 10:50

I would say something along the lines of:
She's probably a bit confused.
Some people think that what makes you a boy or a girl is your name, hair or clothes, but we know that isn't true.
Did you know that people used to think girls couldn't wear trousers? Some people still are a bit upset by that! Very silly. Whether you're a boy or girl is determined when the baby starts growing in their mummy's tummy, nothing can change that. Boys and girls can wear anything, play with any toys and it doesn't actually change anything about them.

Maybe start a little project together about mammals, which will gently and indirectly reinforce.
'My body is me' is a nice book too.

But I would like to know how an earth this came up in conversation. I would be very concerned. Some people get a kick of messing with little children's heads.

This is the way imo to handle it with a 6 yo imo. I think your approach would be better for an older child of maybe 10.

As for your babysitter. Do you have to use her again? She’s way overstepped. I would be tempted to sack her. Regardless, I would tell her the lesson she gave was confusing and completely inappropriate for a young child. She is not a qualified to teach sensitive subjects in an age appropriate way.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/02/2023 14:42

It isn’t an opinion, but a belief on her part.

If she is very confused about biology it may be pure ignorance not even a belief. She is as wrong about the biology of sex as she would be saying the earth is flat.

nepeta · 15/02/2023 18:11

This is no different from a babysitter teaching the child about Jesus or Buddha or Mohammad etc. Not something the sitter should do as it is the job of the parents.

Delphinium20 · 15/02/2023 18:26

Knowing how much teenagers are bombarded with TWAW and other gender nonsense, if she's otherwise lovely, I would assume your babysitter may think she's being a good person by talking with your child. This is an excellent opportunity for you to have a friendly, yet clear and firm conversation with babysitter that this wasn't an appropriate discussion with children and that what she's speaking about is most likely not shared by all parents and children are very susceptible to all kinds of beliefs and this is a belief not fact based assertion. Give her guidance.

Rainallnight · 15/02/2023 18:32

monsteramunch · 15/02/2023 13:20

I know what the phrase 'legal fiction' means, having been heavily involved in the adoption process, so your Wikipedia link isn't needed.

What's the comparison you were making? You either think adoptive parents are parents (just not biological ones) or aren't parents at all. If you fall into the latter camp then your opinion is absolutely bizarre tbh.

FYI I'm adopted and my parents are my parents. HTH.

@ChateauMargaux You made the point in public, so you can defend it in public. My parenting of my children is not a legal fiction.

OP, the babysitter has way overstepped. I think I’d be inclined just to never use he again and tell her why.

tartanlass1 · 15/02/2023 22:59

I’d be getting a new babysitter

Makemetry · 16/02/2023 00:07

I’ve had similar. I just told her no that can’t really happen. People can wear any thing they want but you can’t change from boy to girl. If I put some bunny ears on a cat would it now be a rabbit?

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