The Herold - hit piece claiming that GC feminists are led by ‘far right’

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Based on a few meagre incidents of a few far right individuals tagging on to large gatherings David Leask is of the opinion that feminists are being duped into support for the far right and ends the article with Nazi’s burning down libraries.

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23312904.david-leask-far-right-hijacking-scotlands-trans-rights-row/

Iconic British Transactivist Stephen Whittle has said that Hirschfield was targeted to because there were senior Nazi officers on his patient list (who presumably didn’t want to risk their sexual predilections being exposed).

Exactly, the library was burned due to its transsexual sensitive material, not because Hirschfield was Jewish.

Because the Nazis wanted to hide their own transsexualism? Is that what you are agreeing with here?

Yes. That was my point all along, that the Nazi book burning the OP mentioned as if it were an exaggerated could happen by TRAs was actually a real burning of a library by Nazis to erase trans identities and trans research. The Nazis would not have burned it if it were not for their rigid gender roles and the fact some of them would have been trans but in the closet. It was a matter of personal survival over greater good.

That article seems to have a logic fail. GC feminists and the far right are in bed together because one BNP chap turned up at a rally with a bigoted placard and GC feminists told him off?

Ok. Good. Just checking we’re on the same page and that we both agree that the far right and transsexuals are not two completely separate groups but do in fact have a 100 year history of overlap!
It’s so weird to me that at this point in time it’s being positioned as trans=left wing (and thus GC=right wing) when many of the first transsexuals were actual Nazi officers! Clearly trans holds no automatic left/right wing designation and thus GC must also be either/neither 🤷‍♀️

Oops - lost my quoted reply - the above was for @Onnabugeisha!

In Nazi Germany it was possible to get a Transvestite pass - allowing the bearer to dress in a way not expected by the sex declared on their id card. These passes existed before the third reich and were kn use afterwards. Homosexuals were persecuted in the Third Reich - gender non-confirming not necessarily.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestite_pass

Presumably the Nazis who wanted their own health records burned where the ones with medical procedures and/or homosexual references recorded in their paperwork, not just cross dressing?

There is a book full of cross dressed Nazi soldiers IIRC…

Yes. As the author was saying in his article, there is a long history of extremism and far right co-option on both sides. There is no far right= GC or far right = TRA. And frankly, GC/TRA is independent of politics which is why far right will align with whichever side suits their immediate agendas and try to influence the politics of any rights movement.

That’s not what the author is saying, he’s saying essentially that the far right is infiltrating the movement and causing incidents of extremism that are harming the GC cause but to observe this is being reacted to by many GC activists as if it were a slur- when it’s an accurate observation of what is happening.

His use of one illustrative example doesn’t mean that is the only time something similar has happened at GC protests.

The handful of extreme right wing nutters who exist in the UK (eg Mark Collett) aren’t actually infiltrating feminism tho. Just standing at the back and holding up a
sign does not an infiltration make 😂

The far right is blamed for a lot of things that have naff all to do with it. It's a way of pressuring people to shut up.

I must tell DD that she is “far right”, for speaking at the “Standing For Women” rally in Glasgow.
DD is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communist Party!
Any bets on her reaction?

Exactly. It’s a bogeyman.

Well of course, it’s well known that women are incapable of independent thought.

The Nazis would not have burned it if it were not for their rigid gender roles and the fact some of them would have been trans but in the closet.

Were they that "in the closet" though? There are pictures of cross dressing Nazis.

Exactly Artisticpaint. I once saw Billy Bragg describe Graham Linehan as the 'leader' of the GC feminist movement. Of course! Men must be leading the kitten lovers astray.

Onnabugeisha · Yesterday 17:30

It’s actually a good article as it is calling out the extremism on both sides.

Do you have any examples of extremism from the sex realist side? Gaystapo man is not such an example, because the women at the protest told him to do one.

Part of the ongoing believe that obviously these mere female subhuman thingies have no inner lives of their own and anything they do is all about men, because of men, because they're thinking about men or trying to get the attention of men - there is nothing going on between the ears that isn't allllll about the real humans.

Hence the fixed belief that women saying 'this doesn't work for women' are obviously just doing it to be intentionally naughty and provoking to men. Cos why would a woman bother about another woman ffs?

And any resources women are using that are not useful to men are brown field land that ought to be turned into something men can see the point of because it meets mens needs.

Going back to the 20s and 30s in Germany they were much freer with nudity, cross dressing. What the British considered dissolute they considered healthy experimentation.

I'm told that a health magazine of the 60s was pored over by school boys and men because of the nudity.

So I'm not supposed to say sex is real, binary and immutable because so done with other unfavourable views may agree with me so I should stop campaigning just in case?

I've seen a few incidents now from the usual suspects that the protection if women and girls is a cover for all sorts of hideous movements.

So we should not protect women and girls be sure someone else may latch on to it and use it as a cover for their fascist beliefs.

Basically women shut up. I say no. Call me what you like smear me with insults and call me thick because apparently I don't realise some far right organisations agreed with me.

It's pathetic.

I lol'd. 😁 I gave the first speech at Glasgow and made exactly this point, that it's the neoliberal postmodernist gender brigade that have far more in common with fascism than we materialist commies do. I wrote it up in an article for Communist Women, hopefully will be in the next issue and from there hopefully the Morning Star. I listed sterilising autistic kids, medical experiments on gays and lesbians, blacklisting and siding with bosses over workers (eg sacking people because someone whinged about something they tweeted in a personal capacity), opposing free speech, supporting strict gender roles, and opposing freedom of association. They're only "antifascist" in that they call themselves that, they're nothing of the sort in practice. Deeds not words, innit.

I mean, if you want to know what the far right think of me, just look me up on KeyWiki or Redwatch. They hate us old tankies and see us as an actual threat. Unlike liberal darling Ash Sarkar who, for all she claims to be "literally a communist", has no such entries... can't imagine why. And any of these self-described leftists, I've never heard of half these goons and I've certainly never seen them on a picket line.

Oh and prostitution too. "Sex workers" is the new "comfort women".