Woman's hour covering Tavistock today 14 feb 23

[WarriorNun]

They're talking to their lgbt reporter about it following on from the today prog interview.

Not holding my breath tbh

Coming in at this via autism

With Nuala McGovern. She's covering while Emma Barnett's on maternity leave.

Wish it was Emma B but we will see....

Does make me think they've been waiting for more in the media before they cover it, via Barnes' book

The Tavistock story is now on.

They've chosen a brilliant clip of Justin's intern with Hannah.

Institutional capture, homophobia and the cohort of children were different to what the previous Dutch protocol research had been done on.

Interview

The segment was a long summary by the BBC's LGBT and Identity Correspondent Lauren Moss. She played it straight and had regard to the Cass findings.

And done. Very brief.

thanks for the heads up. tuning in now

Ridiculously short item.

"Diagnostic over shadowing" key phrase that Prof Michele Moore has been trying to talk about for years but was de platformed repeatedly by universities

Was good and to the point. Hopefully lays the foundation for future discussion

Yes but really hoping they'll come back to it. Also gets the book out there. They need Hannah on

I turned on right at the end and heard the Tavistock's statement. Am I correct in thinking they said that only a minority of their patients go on to have treatment? Surely that isn't true, is it?

Going back to listen to it all now.

Next item is really interesting too; autism in women and girls - she mentions misogyny in diagnosis. I also agree there's no particular difference between "male and female autism." Boys are more often diagnosed as they also are more likely to have learning difficulties

I think it was worded very carefully - they said something like 'physical intervention', which presumably means surgery rather than hormones.

Autistic woman speaking now honestly sounds like a secret rad fem

"Stripping radicalised me into feminism" yup!

I also thought weasel words by the Tavi’s PR team. Of those actually seen by the Tavi, what percentage of kids were given puberty blockers and what percentage cross sex hormones? The follow up segment by the correspondent did not explain that a rushed diagnosis of trans might lead to damaging drugs for kids and ultimately in some cases surgery.

But "autistic and non-binary people" from Fern Brady. It would be great if she's not bought into gender identity ideology but I have my doubts.

Yeah, heard that :/ .

Given what we now know are the long-term effects of puberty-interfering drugs and opposite-sex hormones, and that some of the effects turn out to be irreversible (in the normal sense of the word 'irreversible'), I'd say that hormone treatments are very much a 'physical intervention' even without surgery.

Their presumed interpretation of 'physical intervention', not mine!

I've listened again, and it is indeed 'physical interventions' that they claim 'only a minority' of their patients undergo. A smokescreen so thin it only serves to make them look doubly bad as it reveals they know that what they're doing to children would shock the average R4 listener.

Also, I'm getting heartily fucking sick of this 'case by case basis' line being trotted out when it comes to legal and medical policy, as if the law or best practice protocols and safeguarding are something individual and bespoke. Why bother to have laws at all? Shall we start looking at speeding fines on a 'case by case basis'?

Well said, @WinterTrees

Oh yes I know! Sorry if my writhing anger got in the way of good expression there. I'm very grateful for your post about the 'physical interventions' so that I could respond to it.

I think it was worded very carefully - they said something like 'physical intervention', which presumably means surgery rather than hormones.

Yes that word is there very deliberately. They are Fuckers because no one was talking about physical intervention, we all know that’s illegal for children and there should be zero interventions for that.

LizzieSiddal · Today 11:31

^I think it was worded very carefully - they said something like 'physical intervention', which presumably means surgery rather than hormones.
Yes that word is there very deliberately.^

Even though they've slimed their way out there, referring to lapidation, feeding children puberty blockers and opposite sex hormones IS a physical intervention. How else would you (not you personally!) describe a treatment regime, which alters the body of the recipient?