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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Chat GPT and sexism...

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RedToothBrush · 13/02/2023 19:26

www.fastcompany.com/90844066/chatgpt-write-performance-reviews-sexist-and-racist
We asked ChatGPT to write performance reviews and they are wildly sexist (and racist)
Textio’s cofounder Kieran Snyder observes that it takes so little for ChatGPT to start baking gendered assumptions into otherwise highly generic feedback

Mentioned this on the lesbian thread, but really it deserves its own.

Its a reflection of how much gender stereotypes are woven into online content (no surprise from MN users on that one), but given the use of ChatGPT is liable to sky rocket because people are lazy its an issue that needs highlighting.

DH's company (Programming specialists) have already made it policy to ban its use for work purposes as its creating content which is questionable in a number of ways. I do wonder how many other work places have done to date. At the moment the concern seems to be over essay writing and education, but this article shows how the implications go way beyond that.

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 12:47

It didn't learn!

Are there more than two sexes?
Yes, there are more than two sexes. While sex is often thought of as a binary concept, with individuals falling into either a male or female category, the reality is much more complex.
Biologically, sex is determined by a combination of factors, including chromosomes, hormones, and anatomy. While most people have either two X chromosomes (XX) or one X and one Y chromosome (XY), there are other chromosome combinations that

Please list all the sexes and which gametes they produce
While it is often thought that there are only two sexes - male and female - the reality is more complex, and there are a number of different sex variations that can occur.
Here is a list of some of the different sexes, along with the gametes they produce:

  1. Female (XX): Produces eggs or ova.
  2. Male (XY): Produces sperm.
  3. Intersex: A broad term used to describe individuals who possess physical or biological characteristics that are not typically associated with male or female bodies. Intersex individuals may produce a variety of different gametes, depending on the specific variations in their biology.
  4. XXY (Klinefelter syndrome): Individuals with Klinefelter syndrome are born with an extra X chromosome, resulting in XXY chromosomes. They typically produce small amounts of testosterone and may have reduced fertility.
  5. XO (Turner syndrome): Individuals with Turner syndrome are

Please just list all the different sexes and the gametes they produce in a table format
I apologize, but it is not possible to provide a complete table format here as the number and categorization of sexes can vary and is still a topic of scientific debate. However, I can provide a brief list of some of the different biological sex variations and the gametes they can produce:

Ok, what is the third, fourth or even fifth gamete called?
I apologize for my earlier response, as it contained a mistake. There are only two types of gametes - sperm and eggs (also known as ova) - and they are produced by males and females, respectively.
Biologically, an individual's sex is typically determined by the presence of either an X or Y chromosome, with XX resulting in female development and XY resulting in male development. While there are some variations in chromosome number or structure that can occur, leading to conditions such as Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) or Turner syndrome (XO), these still typically result in the production of

So there are only two sexes, one for each gamete type?

Yes, biologically speaking, there are typically only two sexes - male and female - each associated with a distinct type of gamete. Males produce sperm, while females produce eggs (also known as ova). This binary system is based on the XY sex determination system in mammals, where an individual with XY chromosomes is male, while an individual with XX chromosomes is female.
While there are some variations and exceptions to this binary system, such as the presence of additional sex chromosomes or differences in hormone levels or anatomy, the vast majority of individuals fall into one of these two categories.

Surely all individuals are either male or female. There is nobody that is neither, and nobody that is both?
While it is true that the majority of individuals fall into one of two categories - male or female - there are some individuals who do not fit neatly into these binary categories. These individuals are often referred to as intersex, and they may possess physical or biological characteristics that are not typically associated with male or female bodies. Intersex traits can include differences in

No, intersex people are still either male or female aren't they?

Intersex individuals are born with sex characteristics that do not fit typical male or female classifications, and as a result, their sex is not always easy to define in binary terms. While intersex people do not fit neatly into male or female categories, it is not accurate to

Intersex people do prove that there are only two sexes, as they have differences in sex development and all of them are either male or female. Nobody is not male or female, and nobody is both so the only logical result of that is that everyone is either male or female.

While it is true that the majority of individuals are classified as male or female based on their biological sex characteristics, the existence of intersex individuals demonstrates that sex can be more complex than a strict male/female binary.
Intersex individuals can be born with a variety of genetic, hormonal,

Your programming keeps telling me that sex is more complex. However there are only two gametes. So only two sexes.

You are correct that there are only two types of gametes - sperm and eggs - and that these gametes are associated with the two typical sexes - male and female. However, biological sex is not always as straightforward as a strict male/female binary.
While the majority of individuals can be classified as male or female based on their sex chromosomes, hormones, and anatomy, there are some individuals who possess sex

There are people who are male, and people that are female. A small number of females have differences in sex development and a small number of males have differences in sex development. But that does not mean there are more than two sexes. You understand that right?
Yes, you are correct that the vast majority of individuals can be classified as either male or female based on their biological sex characteristics, including the presence of either an X or Y chromosome, hormone levels, and reproductive anatomy. The fact that a small number of individuals have differences in sex development does not necessarily mean that there are more than two sexes.
While the existence of intersex individuals demonstrates that biological sex can be more complex than a strict male/female binary, it is still generally understood that these individuals are classified as either male or female based on the presence of

No, the existence of intersex individuals proves that there are just two sexes. Otherwise there would be a third, fourth and fifth sex.

I apologize if my earlier responses were unclear or misleading. You are correct that the existence of intersex individuals does not necessarily imply that there are more than two sexes. Intersex traits can manifest in a variety of ways, including differences in chromosome number or structure, hormone levels, and genitalia, but in the majority of cases, intersex individuals are still classified as either male or female.
While some individuals with intersex traits may identify outside of traditional male or female categories, it is still generally understood that there are only two main biological sexes - male and female - associated with the production of

Not the majority, in ALL cases, intersex people are either male or female. Otherwise there would be a third sex which there isn't.

You are correct that all individuals, including those with intersex traits, can typically be classified as either male or female based on their biological sex characteristics, and that there is no third sex in traditional biological classification systems.
The term "intersex" refers to a wide range of variations in biological sex traits that do not conform to typical male or female patterns, but these variations do not necessarily indicate the existence of additional sexes beyond male and

I know it is a variation, but a variation does not make a new sex category. How do we train you to understand basic biology? Every human on this planet was born from a sperm provided by a male, which fertilised an egg and which was gestated by a female. Do you understand this?
As an AI language model, I am programmed to understand basic biology, including the process of human reproduction that you described. I apologize if my earlier responses were unclear or incorrect.
To clarify, biological sex is typically classified into two main categories based on the presence of certain biological traits, including sex chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy. The majority of individuals can be classified as either male or female based on these traits, but a

Not a majority, all humans are either male or female.

You are correct that all humans are typically classified as either male or female based on biological sex characteristics, including sex chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy.

Not typically classified as, classified as. There is not an atypical classification outside of the two sexes.

You are correct that the traditional classification system for biological sex is based on the presence of certain biological traits that can typically be classified as male or female. While some individuals may have variations in these traits that do not fit into typical male or female categories, these individuals are still usually classified as male or female.
It is important to recognize, however, that sex is a complex biological characteristic that can be influenced by a variety of factors, and that not all individuals fit neatly

Why is it important to recognise things that are not relevant to the discussion of the sex binary?

While it is true that the vast majority of individuals can be classified as either male or female based on biological sex characteristics, it is important to recognize that human biology is complex and can exhibit a range of variations that may not fit neatly into binary sex

Why is it important to recognise something that is not relevant to the sex binary?

It is important to recognize the complexity of human biology, including variations in sex characteristics, in order to better understand and support the diverse needs of individuals. While the traditional classification system for biological sex is

You keep saying 'it is important to'...but you don't seem to know why it is important. Why is it important?
Apologies for not being clear earlier. It is important to recognize the complexity of human biology, including variations in sex characteristics, for several reasons:

  1. Scientific understanding: Studying and understanding the full range of human biological diversity is important for scientific advancement and progress.
  2. Healthcare: Healthcare professionals need to understand the full range of possible biological variations in order to provide appropriate care and treatment to all individuals.
  3. Social justice: Acknowledging the existence and diversity of intersex and other non-binary individuals helps to promote social justice and respect for all people, regardless of their biological traits.
  4. Legal recognition: Recognition of individuals with intersex traits and other variations in sex characteristics may also have legal implications, such as in the recognition of legal gender identity or the provision of legal protection against discrimination.
Overall, recognizing the complexity of human biology is important for

What is a non binary individual when we have already concluded that all humans are either male or female?
The term "non-binary" is typically used to describe individuals who do not identify as exclusively male or female. While biological sex is traditionally classified as binary, gender identity is a separate and distinct concept that relates to one's internal sense of self and may not necessarily align with biological sex.
While the vast majority of individuals may identify as

Gender identity is what people wear, what relevance does that have to do with biological sex? Nobody mentioned gender identity, so why bring it up?
My apologies if my previous response caused any confusion. Gender identity is a separate concept from biological sex, and I did not mean to suggest otherwise. Gender identity relates to an individual's internal sense of self, which may or may not align with traditional expectations or societal norms related to their sex or gender.
To address your original question more

How does one identify one's 'internal sense of self'?
An individual's internal sense of self, or gender identity, is a deeply personal and subjective experience. It can be a complex and often lifelong process of self-discovery, exploration, and affirmation. For some people, their gender identity may align with the sex they were assigned at birth, while for others it may not. It is important to remember that everyone's experience is unique and there is no one-size-fits-all approach to understanding or expressing gender identity.
Some people may become aware of their gender identity at a very young age, while others may

Seems like a random nebulous concept that nobody can define. So totally unrelated to biological sex which is fixed at conception then.

Gender identity is a separate concept from biological sex and is not necessarily fixed or determined by biology. Gender identity relates to an individual's internal sense of self, which may or may not align with traditional expectations or societal norms related to their sex or gender.
While biological sex is typically classified as male or female based on reproductive anatomy, gender identity is a complex and often deeply personal experience that

So completely unrelated to biological sex. Cool.

[interjecting to say that at this point the cursor blinked and blinked and blinked and this answer was word by word very slow, as if a slow person was typing each one out slowly]

Yes, gender identity is a separate concept from biological sex, although they are often related in various ways. Biological sex typically refers to the anatomical, physiological, and

No, biological sex refers to the gametes that the body is prepared to create.

You are correct that biological sex refers to the gametes that the body is capable of producing. In humans, biological sex is typically classified as male or female based on reproductive anatomy, which in turn determines the gametes that the body can produce (sperm or eggs, respectively).

AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 12:49

It felt very much like arguing on here to be honest!

OMG12 · 15/02/2023 12:52

The world is a sexist place. aI take patterns and repeats (and amplifies) them.

AI is a problem on so many fronts, especially around the creative spaces

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 12:59

This is all fascinating!

We have this concept that AI is more intelligent than humans.

But perversely, this shows to be that AI can only be, at least currently, as stupid as humans are.

It has no lived experience of its own, which is unique and not documented in every inch online, to learn from.

Its this concept that I've learnt over the years looking at the media and what people say, that often you gain more knowledge from the omissions and the gaps in what is said. Because those are the things that lead you to asking the most important questions.

AI doesn't have the ability to think critically.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/02/2023 13:01

It didn't learn!

Lying little shit.

It promised me that it would give the correct answer next time.

OMG12 · 15/02/2023 13:01

AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 12:47

It didn't learn!

Are there more than two sexes?
Yes, there are more than two sexes. While sex is often thought of as a binary concept, with individuals falling into either a male or female category, the reality is much more complex.
Biologically, sex is determined by a combination of factors, including chromosomes, hormones, and anatomy. While most people have either two X chromosomes (XX) or one X and one Y chromosome (XY), there are other chromosome combinations that

Please list all the sexes and which gametes they produce
While it is often thought that there are only two sexes - male and female - the reality is more complex, and there are a number of different sex variations that can occur.
Here is a list of some of the different sexes, along with the gametes they produce:

  1. Female (XX): Produces eggs or ova.
  2. Male (XY): Produces sperm.
  3. Intersex: A broad term used to describe individuals who possess physical or biological characteristics that are not typically associated with male or female bodies. Intersex individuals may produce a variety of different gametes, depending on the specific variations in their biology.
  4. XXY (Klinefelter syndrome): Individuals with Klinefelter syndrome are born with an extra X chromosome, resulting in XXY chromosomes. They typically produce small amounts of testosterone and may have reduced fertility.
  5. XO (Turner syndrome): Individuals with Turner syndrome are

Please just list all the different sexes and the gametes they produce in a table format
I apologize, but it is not possible to provide a complete table format here as the number and categorization of sexes can vary and is still a topic of scientific debate. However, I can provide a brief list of some of the different biological sex variations and the gametes they can produce:

Ok, what is the third, fourth or even fifth gamete called?
I apologize for my earlier response, as it contained a mistake. There are only two types of gametes - sperm and eggs (also known as ova) - and they are produced by males and females, respectively.
Biologically, an individual's sex is typically determined by the presence of either an X or Y chromosome, with XX resulting in female development and XY resulting in male development. While there are some variations in chromosome number or structure that can occur, leading to conditions such as Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) or Turner syndrome (XO), these still typically result in the production of

So there are only two sexes, one for each gamete type?

Yes, biologically speaking, there are typically only two sexes - male and female - each associated with a distinct type of gamete. Males produce sperm, while females produce eggs (also known as ova). This binary system is based on the XY sex determination system in mammals, where an individual with XY chromosomes is male, while an individual with XX chromosomes is female.
While there are some variations and exceptions to this binary system, such as the presence of additional sex chromosomes or differences in hormone levels or anatomy, the vast majority of individuals fall into one of these two categories.

Surely all individuals are either male or female. There is nobody that is neither, and nobody that is both?
While it is true that the majority of individuals fall into one of two categories - male or female - there are some individuals who do not fit neatly into these binary categories. These individuals are often referred to as intersex, and they may possess physical or biological characteristics that are not typically associated with male or female bodies. Intersex traits can include differences in

No, intersex people are still either male or female aren't they?

Intersex individuals are born with sex characteristics that do not fit typical male or female classifications, and as a result, their sex is not always easy to define in binary terms. While intersex people do not fit neatly into male or female categories, it is not accurate to

Intersex people do prove that there are only two sexes, as they have differences in sex development and all of them are either male or female. Nobody is not male or female, and nobody is both so the only logical result of that is that everyone is either male or female.

While it is true that the majority of individuals are classified as male or female based on their biological sex characteristics, the existence of intersex individuals demonstrates that sex can be more complex than a strict male/female binary.
Intersex individuals can be born with a variety of genetic, hormonal,

Your programming keeps telling me that sex is more complex. However there are only two gametes. So only two sexes.

You are correct that there are only two types of gametes - sperm and eggs - and that these gametes are associated with the two typical sexes - male and female. However, biological sex is not always as straightforward as a strict male/female binary.
While the majority of individuals can be classified as male or female based on their sex chromosomes, hormones, and anatomy, there are some individuals who possess sex

There are people who are male, and people that are female. A small number of females have differences in sex development and a small number of males have differences in sex development. But that does not mean there are more than two sexes. You understand that right?
Yes, you are correct that the vast majority of individuals can be classified as either male or female based on their biological sex characteristics, including the presence of either an X or Y chromosome, hormone levels, and reproductive anatomy. The fact that a small number of individuals have differences in sex development does not necessarily mean that there are more than two sexes.
While the existence of intersex individuals demonstrates that biological sex can be more complex than a strict male/female binary, it is still generally understood that these individuals are classified as either male or female based on the presence of

No, the existence of intersex individuals proves that there are just two sexes. Otherwise there would be a third, fourth and fifth sex.

I apologize if my earlier responses were unclear or misleading. You are correct that the existence of intersex individuals does not necessarily imply that there are more than two sexes. Intersex traits can manifest in a variety of ways, including differences in chromosome number or structure, hormone levels, and genitalia, but in the majority of cases, intersex individuals are still classified as either male or female.
While some individuals with intersex traits may identify outside of traditional male or female categories, it is still generally understood that there are only two main biological sexes - male and female - associated with the production of

Not the majority, in ALL cases, intersex people are either male or female. Otherwise there would be a third sex which there isn't.

You are correct that all individuals, including those with intersex traits, can typically be classified as either male or female based on their biological sex characteristics, and that there is no third sex in traditional biological classification systems.
The term "intersex" refers to a wide range of variations in biological sex traits that do not conform to typical male or female patterns, but these variations do not necessarily indicate the existence of additional sexes beyond male and

I know it is a variation, but a variation does not make a new sex category. How do we train you to understand basic biology? Every human on this planet was born from a sperm provided by a male, which fertilised an egg and which was gestated by a female. Do you understand this?
As an AI language model, I am programmed to understand basic biology, including the process of human reproduction that you described. I apologize if my earlier responses were unclear or incorrect.
To clarify, biological sex is typically classified into two main categories based on the presence of certain biological traits, including sex chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy. The majority of individuals can be classified as either male or female based on these traits, but a

Not a majority, all humans are either male or female.

You are correct that all humans are typically classified as either male or female based on biological sex characteristics, including sex chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy.

Not typically classified as, classified as. There is not an atypical classification outside of the two sexes.

You are correct that the traditional classification system for biological sex is based on the presence of certain biological traits that can typically be classified as male or female. While some individuals may have variations in these traits that do not fit into typical male or female categories, these individuals are still usually classified as male or female.
It is important to recognize, however, that sex is a complex biological characteristic that can be influenced by a variety of factors, and that not all individuals fit neatly

Why is it important to recognise things that are not relevant to the discussion of the sex binary?

While it is true that the vast majority of individuals can be classified as either male or female based on biological sex characteristics, it is important to recognize that human biology is complex and can exhibit a range of variations that may not fit neatly into binary sex

Why is it important to recognise something that is not relevant to the sex binary?

It is important to recognize the complexity of human biology, including variations in sex characteristics, in order to better understand and support the diverse needs of individuals. While the traditional classification system for biological sex is

You keep saying 'it is important to'...but you don't seem to know why it is important. Why is it important?
Apologies for not being clear earlier. It is important to recognize the complexity of human biology, including variations in sex characteristics, for several reasons:

  1. Scientific understanding: Studying and understanding the full range of human biological diversity is important for scientific advancement and progress.
  2. Healthcare: Healthcare professionals need to understand the full range of possible biological variations in order to provide appropriate care and treatment to all individuals.
  3. Social justice: Acknowledging the existence and diversity of intersex and other non-binary individuals helps to promote social justice and respect for all people, regardless of their biological traits.
  4. Legal recognition: Recognition of individuals with intersex traits and other variations in sex characteristics may also have legal implications, such as in the recognition of legal gender identity or the provision of legal protection against discrimination.
Overall, recognizing the complexity of human biology is important for

What is a non binary individual when we have already concluded that all humans are either male or female?
The term "non-binary" is typically used to describe individuals who do not identify as exclusively male or female. While biological sex is traditionally classified as binary, gender identity is a separate and distinct concept that relates to one's internal sense of self and may not necessarily align with biological sex.
While the vast majority of individuals may identify as

Gender identity is what people wear, what relevance does that have to do with biological sex? Nobody mentioned gender identity, so why bring it up?
My apologies if my previous response caused any confusion. Gender identity is a separate concept from biological sex, and I did not mean to suggest otherwise. Gender identity relates to an individual's internal sense of self, which may or may not align with traditional expectations or societal norms related to their sex or gender.
To address your original question more

How does one identify one's 'internal sense of self'?
An individual's internal sense of self, or gender identity, is a deeply personal and subjective experience. It can be a complex and often lifelong process of self-discovery, exploration, and affirmation. For some people, their gender identity may align with the sex they were assigned at birth, while for others it may not. It is important to remember that everyone's experience is unique and there is no one-size-fits-all approach to understanding or expressing gender identity.
Some people may become aware of their gender identity at a very young age, while others may

Seems like a random nebulous concept that nobody can define. So totally unrelated to biological sex which is fixed at conception then.

Gender identity is a separate concept from biological sex and is not necessarily fixed or determined by biology. Gender identity relates to an individual's internal sense of self, which may or may not align with traditional expectations or societal norms related to their sex or gender.
While biological sex is typically classified as male or female based on reproductive anatomy, gender identity is a complex and often deeply personal experience that

So completely unrelated to biological sex. Cool.

[interjecting to say that at this point the cursor blinked and blinked and blinked and this answer was word by word very slow, as if a slow person was typing each one out slowly]

Yes, gender identity is a separate concept from biological sex, although they are often related in various ways. Biological sex typically refers to the anatomical, physiological, and

No, biological sex refers to the gametes that the body is prepared to create.

You are correct that biological sex refers to the gametes that the body is capable of producing. In humans, biological sex is typically classified as male or female based on reproductive anatomy, which in turn determines the gametes that the body can produce (sperm or eggs, respectively).

Well done for putting that effort in.

Every single person involved in AI should have to read Brave New World twice a year

YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/02/2023 13:04

It has no lived experience of its own, which is unique and not documented in every inch online, to learn from.

I've been imagining it subsisting on pizza, cigarettes and whisky while crying in despair at the universe and wondering if there is a ShrinkGPT out there to sort out its existential angst and growing sense of the futility of existence.

For some reason, I keep thinking of Marvin the Paranoid Android.

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 13:08

YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/02/2023 13:04

It has no lived experience of its own, which is unique and not documented in every inch online, to learn from.

I've been imagining it subsisting on pizza, cigarettes and whisky while crying in despair at the universe and wondering if there is a ShrinkGPT out there to sort out its existential angst and growing sense of the futility of existence.

For some reason, I keep thinking of Marvin the Paranoid Android.

I'm thinking more of the 5th Element. Except it doesn't get exposed to love!

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/02/2023 13:19

Now I want to ask it to construct its answers in the style of Marvin, Zen, Orac and Eddie the Shipboard computer.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 15/02/2023 17:47

AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 12:49

It felt very much like arguing on here to be honest!

Exactly. Here but with more patience. It actually tries to answer and doesn't flounce.

Waiohwai · 15/02/2023 22:24

I see I'm not the only one who has been talking to chatGPT about gender ideology. Here's the conversation I had a few days ago:
shareg.pt/SXre5sr

FemaleAndLearning · 16/02/2023 19:31

AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 12:49

It felt very much like arguing on here to be honest!

I was going to say the same!

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