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OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 2023-02-12T10:37:19+00:00

Found this lovely lanyard. I would love to get one but don’t think I am brave enough to wear at work (school so I have to mindful) https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/767198206/id-lanyard-suffragette-colours-purple?click_key=b95fa891b16ff84418f307d562f41dc2ec34915a%3A767198206&click_sum=be473519&ref=shop_home_active_5&frs=1

NorthStarRising · 12/02/2023 10:43

I’d love it, problem is that school require you to wear an official lanyard.
When did wearing Suffragette colours become a focus for hostility?
I’ve got a tote bag in those colours.

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OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 12/02/2023 10:54

My school have a (very boring) plain “staff” lanyard. Some don’t use it at all so I don’t think it will be a problem.

Some see the suffragette colours as meaning anti trans rather than the pro woman support it really is.

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IcakethereforeIam · 12/02/2023 11:22

It's lovely. If you order one make sure you get it with a magnetic clasp. I honestly don't think any reasonable person would have a problem with it.

Haven't the colours also been co-opted by one of the trans things....agender? Not that you should need to justify a colour choice.

Rightsraptor · 12/02/2023 11:36

Apparently we've 'appropriated' any Suffragette items. And also 2nd wave feminism.

morningtoncrescent62 · 12/02/2023 11:40

Thanks, OP, it's beautiful. I've ordered one, and according to the site there's now only one more left - MNers are obviously at their keyboards this morning!

CoffeeWithCheese · 13/02/2023 17:18

It's lovely - but work require ours to have 95436million different break points on ours meaning we struggle with any other ones, and some of the bases mandate our "official" ones.

Tallisker · 13/02/2023 22:44

I have one of these and it said when I bought it there was only one left.

It is gorgeous, understated but if you know, you know. It is fragile though, my first one broke when I pulled it out of a too-full handbag.

My organisation is pronoun central so with this lanyard and my Woman: Adult Human Female notebook I am quite the subversive. Out and proud but quietly 😁

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OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 14/02/2023 08:31

I guess she/he makes them to order so there is no stock, but etsy need you to show 1 in stock.

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JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 10:27

I collect vintage Suffragette jewellery and often wear it to public sector work. (Not lanyard as we need specific ones with three breakage points).

I am very much an inclusive feminist and support trans rights. I am very very saddened that some are trying to take it over to only be "their sort of feminism". It's not. Stop trying to tell women what sort of feminist they should be.

Baldieheid · 14/02/2023 10:35

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 10:27

I collect vintage Suffragette jewellery and often wear it to public sector work. (Not lanyard as we need specific ones with three breakage points).

I am very much an inclusive feminist and support trans rights. I am very very saddened that some are trying to take it over to only be "their sort of feminism". It's not. Stop trying to tell women what sort of feminist they should be.

A PP said above that it represented pro-women stance. It's others (as you've just exhibited beautifully) who interpret it to be anti-trans.

Please explain how being pro-women is ant-trans?

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 10:42

Baldieheid · 14/02/2023 10:35

A PP said above that it represented pro-women stance. It's others (as you've just exhibited beautifully) who interpret it to be anti-trans.

Please explain how being pro-women is ant-trans?

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I didn't say it was anti trans.

I said it was being taken over to be only one sort of feminism. Only "their sort of feminism".

30 years ago I was the wrong sort of feminist for wearing girly clothes in a male dominated workforce. 25 years ago I was the wrong sort of feminist for taking my husband surname when we married. Now the colours of suffrage are being 'claimed' for only one flavour of feminism.

Baldieheid · 14/02/2023 10:49

What "flavour" is that? Genuine question.

I've seen the scarves and colours being worn by people from all political persuasions, from Nicola Sturgeon to Elaine Miller, to KJK.

You're projecting.

DialSquare · 14/02/2023 10:50

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 10:27

I collect vintage Suffragette jewellery and often wear it to public sector work. (Not lanyard as we need specific ones with three breakage points).

I am very much an inclusive feminist and support trans rights. I am very very saddened that some are trying to take it over to only be "their sort of feminism". It's not. Stop trying to tell women what sort of feminist they should be.

Firstly, what rights do Trans People not have? Are you finally going to be the poster that answers this question?

Secondly, your "feminism" results in the self exclusion by many females from their own single sex spaces. That's not any type of feminism in my book but well done for putting the feelings of males before females.

That's a beautiful lanyard OP. Thanks gif posting.

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 11:06

I didn't say they had less rights anywhere. But I support them not losing any rights.

How do you tell if someone is trans? What do you do if you suspect?

My very strong belief is that trans women, and trans men, are not the problem. And while everyone gets upset and fights against them, predatory men are, yet again, pushed to the background and carry on being dangerous as always.

But if someone thinks they will be attacked for wearing the colours of suffrage? Why if it doesn't stand for something other than supportive feminism? The OP obviously thinks that Suffrage colours stand for only women who were born women, and stay women, otherwise why the worry?

Baldieheid · 14/02/2023 11:13

The worry is because women and men who hold firm to the line that biological sex is immutable and fixed at, or near, conception, and that there are spaces in this world where sex actually matters and we should provide sex segregated spaces, have been punished, sacked, cancelled and taken to court for it.

Maybe you could survive if your livelihood was taken from you but you'd be the exception.

DialSquare · 14/02/2023 11:14

So what rights would they lose?

Catnuzzle · 14/02/2023 11:15

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 11:06

I didn't say they had less rights anywhere. But I support them not losing any rights.

How do you tell if someone is trans? What do you do if you suspect?

My very strong belief is that trans women, and trans men, are not the problem. And while everyone gets upset and fights against them, predatory men are, yet again, pushed to the background and carry on being dangerous as always.

But if someone thinks they will be attacked for wearing the colours of suffrage? Why if it doesn't stand for something other than supportive feminism? The OP obviously thinks that Suffrage colours stand for only women who were born women, and stay women, otherwise why the worry?

Because only people born female are female. There's no subset.

Generally being 'inclusive of all women' means including men who say they're women and excluding women who know they're not.

Baldieheid · 14/02/2023 11:16

Do you support women not losing rights?

The right to be incarcerated only with other females, for example?

The right to change after swimming only with other females?

The right to attend a breastfeeding support group, only with other females?

No males, of any kind, gender presentation or identity? Just females?

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 11:20

Fathers attended the breastfeeding cafe I went to. The leaders were very supportive of men supporting their partners. Is it any different from having a male midwife?

And because the more everyone fixates on trans women being the problem, the more they aren't looking at the real problem.

And we already have women being targeted for "looking like they might be trans".

Baldieheid · 14/02/2023 11:33

You forgot to say what you think about prisons and swimming pool changing rooms..

imagine your 12 year old daughter changing in front of a 37 year old man. Still feeling inclusive?

The problem with ignoring the sex of trans people is that it leads to legislation that creates loopholes where we gave to ignore the sex of everyone. Because sex is no longer important as a demarcation line.

As demonstrated by Adam Graham, non trans people use that legislation to gain access to places they've previously been denied.

What we need is legislation that provides for trans people WITHOUT removing facilities and services for women. Fairness, in other words.

As for the suffragette colours - it's about women's rights, and complacency is rapidly allowing those to be eroded. Less than 100 years after someone like me would have been allowed to vote, I'm looking at the walls closing back in on us.

If you're not frightened by that, you're not paying attention.

Horizons83 · 14/02/2023 11:44

I would get that lanyard, it's beautiful and you can always play ignorant if you are questioned about it by someone you think may be trying to cause trouble.. either 'oh I just thought it was pretty' or 'oh, what's wrong with suffragette colours'?

I love hidden messages... I am about to launch a business (totally unrelated to anything to do with women's rights etc) and have decided to make my logo purple, green and white!

Empowermenomore · 14/02/2023 11:58

If we are frightened of wearing something as beautiful and inconspicuous as that. I’m afraid we are really being silenced and brainwashed.

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OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 15/02/2023 09:57

JusteanBiscuits · 14/02/2023 11:06

I didn't say they had less rights anywhere. But I support them not losing any rights.

How do you tell if someone is trans? What do you do if you suspect?

My very strong belief is that trans women, and trans men, are not the problem. And while everyone gets upset and fights against them, predatory men are, yet again, pushed to the background and carry on being dangerous as always.

But if someone thinks they will be attacked for wearing the colours of suffrage? Why if it doesn't stand for something other than supportive feminism? The OP obviously thinks that Suffrage colours stand for only women who were born women, and stay women, otherwise why the worry?

I do believe women’s rights are for biological women, who were born that way.

Surgery and hormones can change your appearance but being a women is much more than that. And as you said, there is no one way to being a woman, the only thing that joins us is biology.

Whether the suffragette colours represents that is unclear. But a lot of people will take it that way, and I don’t want to put my head up in my workplace. Yes it is being silenced but I want to keep my job.

But with international women’s day coming up and the lack of equality around the world I am going to get one to show my support, this thread has shown me it is important to be visible in support women (which is not anti trans - nothing wrong with being trans, you just can’t change sex, they are trans).

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