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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Iain Anderson - chair of Stonewall - on Political Thinking, BBC News channel now

9 replies

MagpiePi · 11/02/2023 20:50

I’ve only just started watching and only 10 minutes left.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/02/2023 20:53

after The interview on the radio I assume they’re on sone kind of charm offensive/damage limitation because of the Scotland debacle

MagpiePi · 11/02/2023 21:00

He waffled on the issue of Adam Graham/Isla Bryson when asked if this person was a woman.
He definitely thinks women’s rights are irrelevant, and keeps talking about the LGBTQ+ community.
Is it a new angle of the TRA lobby to keep taking about ‘human rights’ rather than ‘’trans rights’ ?

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nilsmousehammer · 11/02/2023 22:26

Human Rights actually meaning Man Rights.

maeveiscurious · 11/02/2023 22:48

I heard it, circular conversation

partystress · 11/02/2023 23:15

Two things stood out for me. The use of the phrase ‘safe spaces’ in relation to the Equalities Act. This is the same ‘mistake’ Lord Falconer made recently. The EA allows for single sex spaces. I’m starting to think there is a subtle campaign going on to replace ‘single sex’ with safe. Can’t for the life of me think why that would be.

The other thing was the lack of challenge to the segue from ‘women have protection…we have the EA’ to ‘trans women are women’. The second statement renders the first meaningless and in any other domain I believe Nick Robinson would not have let that go.

I am emailing Feedback to make these points and ask if they plan to invite Maya F or Helen J on at some point. [email protected]

Mollyollydolly · 11/02/2023 23:46

The replies to Nick Robinson's tweet about it are fantastic. We're going to turn this ship around. I quite like Nick Robinson, I think some of the replies will give him food for thought. I asked him was there a blacklist for people like Helen Joyce at the BBC.
twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1624313627078451200

HenleyHen · 13/02/2023 14:54

For a professional in the comms industry, it was car crash stuff from Iain Anderson. When asked if he was a man or woman to keep responding rapier was dreadful.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 13/02/2023 15:13

I noticed that Anderson dodged the question of whether women had to accept being called "birthing people". He said that Stonewall advised organisations about language, and it was their decision whether they took the advice, I think.

He did not declare that Stonewall would accept it if an organisation reviewed Stonewall advice and concluded, "we think we'll carry on using the terms women and mothers, actually."

BlueHeelers · 18/02/2023 16:18

He waffled on the issue of Adam Graham/Isla Bryson when asked if this person was a woman.

I was listening to this as a podcast walking home from the supermarket this afternoon. Luckily it was a noisy busy road, because I was almost shouting what an idiot Anderson is. He was totally fudging Nick Robinson's question about Adam Graham/Isla Bryson.

These fucking men (not Nick Robinson, who pushed Anderson hard) who decide THEY know better than women what women are. And fucking-well think that THEY (men) get to decide.

As Women's Place UK say "Nothing about us without us."

And at the risk of sounding homophobic, but recognising a reality as a straight woman encountering gay men - there are affluent gay men in this world who effectively live a gay male separatist life.

They run things (because men), their domestic & romantic lives involve only men, they rarely have to engage with the "female/pink collar" world, such as nurseries, schools etc.

They're doing what lesbian separatists tried to in the 1970s - but these men do it from a position of power, not as a survival strategy.

That interview made me so angry.

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