Muslim Council has withdrawn support for SNP/Greens - the Gender bill was last straw

[fromorbit]

"The Muslim Council in the UK has withdrawn support for the Scottish government, claiming Nicola Sturgeon is taking the country "down the wrong path".

Mr Wasif Ahmad who is the Chair of The Muslim Council of UK, the leading Muslim community has said they will be joining the Scottish Indian Council in abandoning the SNP/Greens.
In a scathing statement, the group said morale is "at an all-time low", claiming their "civil liberties" have been taken away by social policies with the latest gender reform Bill seemingly being the final straw."

We are against this Transgender law which allows 15 years [olds] to change there gender. We at the Muslim Council of the UK support every religion whether, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism Sikhism. We have nothing against someone sexual preference but this Trans law goes too far. The First Minister Nicola Sturgeon should resign as under her tenure Scotland it has been failure after failure"

More details in article:
archive.ph/Jgbyc#selection-1003.0-1017.212

This is serious news for the SNP in their battle to control Glasgow where much of the Scottish Muslim population is located. The fact that Scottish Indians are clearly outraged too is interesting.

Pollokshields and Southside Central are the two main wards in Sturgeon's Glasgow Southside constituency with the highest concentration of Muslim residents in Scotland – 27.8% and 15.7% respectively.

Stewart McDonald is the SNP MP for the Glasgow South constituency which also contains those wards. He is a big time TRA.

Interestingly in 2019 his second place opponent in Glasgow South was Labour's Joanne Lamont, former leader of Scottish Labour, who is very pro-woman. If she stands again she might be able to flip the seat for Labour on a pro-woman platform.

Scottish Labour are in awkward position again do they side with Hindus and Muslims and most ordinary Scots in admitting the existence of two sexes or continue to follow the TRA line.

You clearly have no clue about attitudes to homosexuality among large swathes of the Muslim community

This is very interesting! The southside of Glasgow is also very steeped in gender ideology, some of its schools, cafes,arts places. I wonder how this is going to develop when the SNP have basically thrown gender ideology down as law that this is how you think in that area.

You clearly didn’t read my first comment on this thread.

I do wonder with some posters if they think their (definitely not a lawyer in any way) style persuades

its of no surprise at all that Muslim patriarchy throws women under the bus to stay in with Labour - and it will be interesting to see how long that holds as the sunlight continues to pour in

Could you please explain why women should give up our language, spaces, rights, privacy, dignity and bodily autonomy (ie who gets to see our naked bodies and touch them in medical/care settings).

Once you have done that can you please can you explain what safeguards you are alluding to and how they will work, because the only way we can truly safeguard women and girls is to say noone who was born with a penis is allowed in any women's spaces, facilities nor should they be allowed to touch a woman without her express permission and most importantly they should not be allowed to call themselves female or women instead they should be called transwomen and we should create 3rd spaces for them. As we now know according to the census that trans people are only 0.2% of the population so should be easy to accommodate them by taking 1 cubical/toilet from men and making it mixed sex whilst all others remain single sex for the other 99.8% of the population. Fair yes

Perhaps those on this forum could heed her words and let the small number of trans people have what they call for (with safeguarding ;) ) , and instead spend their time on issues that actually effect the majority of women - especially outside the west.

No. No we won't let trans people have what they call for. Because what they call for has resulted in females being raped in prisons, children being sexually assaulted in female toilets and spas and we are derided as bigots for thinking that's an issue.

No. We agree done being kind. We are done compromising. Its a hard no from me now.

We have an inch and what was a courtesy became a demand with menaces and is resulting in terrible harm. NO.

And how do you propose that the 'safeguarding' would work?

And how do you propose that women's comfort and dignity is maintained while men in dresses in the room?

Not all males are that comfortable with transmen sharing their spaces either particularly in school changing rooms or in hospital wards.

Stick around Ant - you're discovering so much about life that the narrow TWAW belief fails to address.

Perhaps those on this forum could heed her words and let the small number of trans people have what they call for (with safeguarding ;) ) , and instead spend their time on issues that actually effect the majority of women - especially outside the west.

How did you get from that article that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is calling for trans people to be given what they want?

What transwomen, TRAs and their allies want comes at the expense of women and girls, the only acceptable answer to their demands is NO.

What safeguarding are you advocating for?

After all Adam Graham/Isla Bryson would have been given the magic GRC piece of paper by the Scottish Government under the GRR Bill they wanted. Even without that magic piece of paper Adam Graham/Isla Bryson was able to access a College course that included him being in the presence of naked women/girls - what safeguarding are you proposing to prevent that in future? That's what this trans person wants, happy to give it to him are you @MadamAndTheAnts ?

Good for them.

They do need to look at how many Labour MSP's voted in favour of the egregious GRR bill, though.

Islamic bigotry?

As I said on the other thread Madamandtheants - get thee back to Twitter and your mates OJ and Billy Bragg. Bye!

Have you completely jettisoned intersectionality now it doesn’t suit your agenda, then?

I wouldnt take the MCB as the representative voice of all muslims nor of (muslim) women's concerns as they are a downright dodgy bunch of self-appointed headmen and just as the extreme religious right are, hardly interested in women's or gay rights. The law provides for single-sex spaces for all women and I would prefer to focus on that rather than identitarian and communitarian concerns. I dont think the reasons for religious women pursuing sex - segregated spaces are laudable in themselves and often are highly misogynist. Sometimes these groups push for special provision - in dress, further segregation, religious marriage recognition etc - and I personally never want to run the risk of being associated with them. Labour has pandered to these groups before by having segregated meetings.
There have been extremist muslim groups picketing schools on sex- education programmes. The No Outsider programme may have dodgy bits about trans ideology but the extremists outside the school were also single men (not parents) and bussed in from the outside rather than locals. There is also deeply felt homophobia in some communities that would rather see gays transitioned - Iran and Pakistan come to mind- than acknowledge the existence of gays.

If we want challenge genderism and misogyny in religions what we need is open discussion and debate. If we get that ultimately we will win. We already know we can undermine religious misogyny in the UK because we have done it before.

The MCB is pursuing their own interests. In doing that they open the door everyone to get to say what they want. No-one is saying we directly ally with them. That is not going to be happening. This is part of getting people to admit to the massive conflicts going on here.

There are a number of reasons this is significant. Firstly Labour frankly are more worried about losing Muslim votes than women's votes. This is sad but true. Labour just do not think a bunch of women are going to lose them a significant number of votes.

Plus we also have to calculate the TRAs reaction. Remember a significant amount of them are racist. People like India Willoughby would be far happier hanging out with Farage than the left.

Brick by brick.

let the small number of trans people have what they call for

Adam Graham/Isla Bryson called for a not guilty verdict so he was free to circulate in the community, he called for self-defence lessons alongside women who were victims of crimes such as his, he called for young girls to get undressed in front of him in tanning classes

Katie Dolatowski called for filming young girls over toilet cubicles, he then called for a young girl to take her trousers off so he could assault her. He called for being allowed to stays in a women and children’s hostel and, after punching a male prisoner, called for serving his sentence surrounded by women who had no choice but to be in his company.

I could go on.

Tell me again why I should give them what they call for?

Miramax
There have been extremist muslim groups picketing schools on sex- education programmes

Mightn’t some of them have been just pretty typical parents? I would have joined them in one of those schools, they had good reason to find extreme,for the ideological sex education they were giving even very young children.