The Times: Fix gender reform bill, drop it, or take us to court, Jack told SNP

[ResisterRex]

Thought some of us would want to see this. It looks pretty standard for a legal process. Many of the BTL comments are saying, let the SNP/Sturgeon stew:

Fix gender reform bill, drop it, or take us to court, Jack told SNP

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/01c65da4-a8b2-11ed-9c9e-78cbfe4237a1?shareToken=a0036ed19d159ce3262ca9d0036893a8

And for the recycling fans among us...(this also looks bonkers and seems to demonstrate a "do as I say" kind of approach to law that we've seen with the GRR):

Alex Massie: Finally, an SNP backbencher with the bottle to challenge the boss

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/16c543a2-a88d-11ed-b9b7-9e487a0455d5?shareToken=34a72292af21a355db958ad95798af05

One of the top comments on the GRR article:

"The one good bit of this ridiculous farce is that the SNP are haemorrhaging supporters over it.
Everyone can now see the insanity of allowing men to claim to be women, and the complete failure of safeguarding that results from it."

With a reply:

"Well said, the SNP accounts already show the SNP have lost about 20,000 members over the last year or so."

Another of the top rated:

"Oh aye, yes, and if Westminster had intervened and got involved any earlier the SNP would have in no way accused them of interfering in a democratic process and undermining Scottish democracy and "this is why we must have independence, blah blah"."

And another:

"Robison has clearly misunderstood her role here. It’s not for Jack to discuss a dodgy bill passed by a devolved assembly with her. It’s been clear from day one that this bill would make changes in one part of the UK that would be unacceptable in other parts and the nationalist administration was warned about this from many quarters. Everything that was feared about this bill has come racing into focus over the past two weeks. Had it been on the statute books, several incarcerated men and one who will soon be, would by now be proud holders of GRCs on their say-so and would have to be recognised as their ‘acquired identity’ “for all legal purposes”. Thank goodness the UKGov stepped in and showed up this abhorrence for what it is. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧"

The bottle story has BTL comments about a butcher and the SPS policy!!!

I don’t understand why a member of the SNP would suggest that Westminster should have been involved earlier - did they need babysitting?

Presumably to try and tease out whether there's some legal ground for saying it's X proportion the fault of Westminster. But it's not clear how Westminster could involve themselves earlier, without having been accused of meddling.

Holyrood’s equality committee admitted it failed to invite UK ministers to give evidence, despite warnings that the gender bill was incompatible with the UK Equality Act.

they just ploughed on regardless

the question now is did they ignore the bloody obvious ‘rapists in women’s prisons’ issuette because

1. they were too tied up in the ideology to see it (I.e. they’re idiots)

2. they were too tied up in the ideology to care about women’s safety (I.e. they’re misogynists)

3. they deliberately wanted to force a confrontation believing it would help the indy cause (I.e. they’re happy to play games with women’s safety)

can’t think of any other explanation, and none of these are good

1. All of the above

It's a fantastically telling "justification" isn't it? "It's Westminster's fault for not stopping us carrying out an act of self harm". A variation on "a big boy did it and ran away".

Something else to go into the mix when there's the next proper push for independence.

Transgender people deserve our respect, support and understanding.

AND SO DO WOMEN. 😡

This bloody mess is not something that might cause harm, it is and has caused harm. There is a female body count that no one ever mentions. There are women handling this shit and dealing with God only knows what right now.

While men pontificate and try to work out how to oh so delicately decide if what's going on between a man's ears is sincere or not sincere, and how much to permit him to abuse women. Which he does merely by walking into their shower room.

I don't want them to fix the bill, I want it to go to court. Everything I've seen so far suggests that NS will take it that far.