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Alliance For Choice: feminism should centre males

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NitroNine · 08/02/2023 10:28

The awesome Feminism In Schools (NI) are currently gearing up for their second to-be-annual conference at Queen’s Belfast next month.

Alliance For Choice (Derry) will not be attending, because it turns out the event is doing actual feminism. For female people. I’ve attached their statement from Twitter, which they of course posted without Alt-Text, because their energies for change are wholly performative & disabled people are not trendy. I can’t focus on it well enough to type it up, but their objections are basically:
• unsafe! unsafe!
• GC beliefs “harmful & dangerous”
• hate crimes! (Obviously no mention it was in fact surge in non-crime hate incidents people were begged to report: they are busy with their hyperbole & reality would just spoil it.)
• most marginalised!
• mafia-style reconsideration-urging
• “Alliance for Choice Derry stand firmly in solidarity with our transgender friends and regret that this is the case.”

That last one will amuse me for some time, yes. Is there a TERF trapped in their Offices somewhere?!

The distortion of the term “intersectional feminism” from “ensuring the inclusion of ALL women & acknowledgement that factors including class, disability, education, race & religion impact on our lives & will shape our approach to feminism” to “centre male people who say they’re female” is enraging & sickening. Marginalised women? Want a seat at that table, to be heard & considered. Males? They want all the seats. And the table. And the women to make them a sandwich. And somehow this is meant to be ok. And still, in some way “feminism”. Corralling women into fighting for “trans rights” (over & above their own interests) in addition to making the LGB all about the T is quite some trick; but it isn’t feminism.

Alliance For Change Derry’s current pinned tweet is advertising a march to stop VAWG, together with Stop Street Harrassment NI. How do you stop something happening to a group you can’t define? I mean, they don’t really need to try to do anything concrete if they do some shouting, right?
🚨✊ Our International Women’s Day theme this year is STOP VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS.🚨✊

That includes trans women and girls, women locally and globally, whether they are facing sexism, misogyny, racism, poverty or state, sexual or domestic violence or street harassment.

Alliance for Choice was formed in 1996 to help women on both sides of the border safely access abortions. They still claim to be focused on reproductive justice - so the whole focus-on-trans-people makes even less sense. Before anyone comes screeching in about “trans men can need abortions”; the objection being made is that a feminist conference is doing feminism. This is not about trans men’s access to care - care that feminists are in fact anxious they not be able to receive if necessary but they all be very clearly informed they may need if they have unprotected PIV sex relying on testosterone [& a partner’s CSH] to prevent conception. This is, yet again, about women saying that males, however they identify, are not welcome in their space & an angry response to that.

Women & girls are oppressed on the basis of our sex. We require abortions because of our sex. We have the right to organise in our own interests, as a sex class, and just because a member of our oppressor class decides that how he feels is as a woman does, it doesn’t give him the right to invade our spaces nor to prevent us from organising in that way.

Alliance For Choice might identify as feminists, but feminism cannot centre males. Hopefully they’ll work that out before too long - though tbh it looks as if NI abortion services might actually be up & running before they cop on.

Alliance For Choice: feminism should centre males
Alliance For Choice: feminism should centre males
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NitroNine · 08/02/2023 10:30

(Oh FFS, no idea how I ended up with “Alliance for Change” in there; it’s Alliance for Choice & I am very very tired & can’t focus properly 🤦‍♀️)

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TheCraicDealer · 08/02/2023 10:41

I am in no way surprised at their line, they’ve been at this for years. What I am (pleasantly) shocked at is QUB’s response- I wish I knew who that person was so I could thank them for standing up to this nonsense.

LoobiJee · 08/02/2023 12:26

If AfC are now using the term “reproductive justice” in place of “abortion rights” then that most likely means that their primary campaign goal has changed and their focus is legal protection for males seeking a woman to provide them with “reproductive services” in the form of a payment-for-pregnancy-and-childbirth arrangement.

Boiledbeetle · 08/02/2023 12:55

Soo..

Our International Women’s Day theme this year is STOP VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN, GIRLS and MEN.

FloatOn · 08/02/2023 13:02

Wow, I can see the Alliance for Choice nonsense, but am suprised by QUBs answer, I thought they were fully down the Trans nonsense.

Hopefully no one will be reprimanded for this brave decision.

FloatOn · 08/02/2023 13:33

Ok, just checked and it probably wouldnt have been QUB, it would be the organiser of feminism in schools who told them all FEMALES are welcome.

NitroNine · 08/02/2023 16:44

It’ll’ve been Charlotte Carson who told them to cop on, yes - but QUB just being willing to host an event that actually centres girls/is horrifically transphobic (depending on who you ask 🙄) is a bit of a shocker tbh…

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IwantToRetire · 08/02/2023 19:15

Its bad enough that Alliance for Choice are centering men, but I still cant help be asontished every time that I read information from Abortion Support Network about working to help "people who need to access safe abortions".

hryllilegur · 08/02/2023 19:25

It’s so ironic that ‘trans-inclusive’ means not only excluding but actively demonising anyone gender critical. We are so inclusive and kind and safe… and you are awful because you won’t just ban the people we don’t like.

Their objection is simply that the organisers told them that if they want a conference that bans GC beliefs, this isn’t the one for them. Not that they weren’t welcome or able to share their views. Just that they weren’t going to exclude other people. But apparently they are the wronged party in all this. 🙄

MTCoffeePot · 08/02/2023 19:46

It's all mind-boggling when there is still so much to be done about women's reproductive rights in NI that Derry Alliance for Choice is attempting to exclude certain women. I am pleased that the organisers have stood up to them and that Queen's is the venue. I see that Michael Conroy from Men at Work is part of a panel discussion. It looks a really interesting programme.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/02/2023 20:13

“Alliance for Choice Derry stand firmly in solidarity with our transgender friends and regret that this is the case.”

😂

TheCraicDealer · 08/02/2023 20:44

Also in the last week we’ve had two big news stories- the arrest of the murderer of Natalie McNally and her child, and the furore over “Isla” Bryson in Scotland. And yet all AFC Derry can shout about is, “but what about the men?”.

hryllilegur · 08/02/2023 20:48

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/02/2023 20:13

“Alliance for Choice Derry stand firmly in solidarity with our transgender friends and regret that this is the case.”

😂

Excellent sentence construction.

JustWaking · 09/02/2023 06:59

Whilst we welcome the idea of Feminism in Schools but not the reality of Feminism, oh no! No actual change to male supremacy here! , we believe it should be a safe and respectful to men space, free from disrespect harm being perpetuated towards the most marginalised identities: men. We hope the organisers of Feminism in Schools will rethink their naughty, jumped-up, unladylike current position and remember their place: subservient to men

There, added the quiet bit back in.
(My bold, and strike through text added. But they really did say the rest of it.)

NitroNine · 09/02/2023 11:28

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/02/2023 20:13

“Alliance for Choice Derry stand firmly in solidarity with our transgender friends and regret that this is the case.”

😂

I just had to directly quote that bit - I laughed aloud reading it & didn't want to deprive anyone who might struggle reading their statement of the experience.

It’s so SO simple to add AltText on Twitter; & they could have put the statement up on their website & linked to it if it was over 1000 characters. But - as is often the case - they’re too busy centring males to bother with disabled women 🙄

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