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Corien Fulton’s killer made Grand Master of his Orange Order Lodge

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NitroNine · 07/02/2023 15:54

In 1999 Corien Fulton was killed by her husband Stephen. He shot her in the head after she said she was leaving him (something described by the judge at sentencing as provocation); & he was charged with manslaughter & sentenced to 5 years due to impairment as the result of a classifiable mental disorder.

He’s now been elected Grand Master of his Orange Order Lodge in Cookstown - & is outraged people are unhappy about it.

In news that shocks exactly nobody, the Orange Order are staying silent.

The UUP have been shamed into commenting, though, after it came out that the new District Deputy Master is none other than Mid-Ulster UUP Councillor Mark Glasgow, a member of the same Cookstown LOL as Fulton. (LOL is their own abbreviation, I’m not randomly mocking them or committing a sectarian acronym.)

There is the question of rehabilitation & reengagement in society etc - but he received a shockingly brief sentence for killing his wife. Also, do you ever get the right to take on a role where you’re seen as a role model if your attitude is (apparently) “I killed someone but it was ages ago & I was punished so can’t everyone forget about it now?” Doesn’t sound like the remorse he was exhibiting as trial lasted very long 🤨

Sometimes it seems as if the litany of murdered women is endless; & the list of violent men who escape adequate punishment, whether that’s because of failings in the justice system or because they are cowardly family annihilators, feels as if it goes stretching on past the end of always.

Corien Fulton did not “provoke” her husband into shooting her. It was not acceptable (even in 1999) for the judge to suggest she was responsible for her spouse’s violence; but that’s another pattern we see repeat over & over. The Rules of Misogyny have no place in the courtroom, but they are utterly entrenched in the system.

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MoltenLasagne · 07/02/2023 15:58

It's appalling on so many levels. The remarks of the judge, the shortness of the sentence, the fact that the Orange Lodge apparently think it's not only acceptable to have him as a leader, but aren't even aware enough of public decency to consider the PR of it all.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/02/2023 16:21

Bother utterly depressing and infuriatingly unsurprising.

(😂at 'committing a sectarian acronym')

RoseslnTheHospital · 07/02/2023 16:23

Everything about this is wrong and disturbing.

EdieLedwell · 07/02/2023 16:28

Horrific. "I've done my time"
"He's a good man" said a friend

Abhannmor · 07/02/2023 16:48

The stated purpose of the Orange Order is to defend the Protestant religion. There must be plenty of decent Protestants out there , yet they chose him.

Ergo he must have 'pull'.

TightFistedWozerk · 07/02/2023 17:04

It makes you shudder, how awful must a man be before he is shunned by his buddies?

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2023 17:07

In the Orange Order no low is too low to shunned. See also David Tweed: www.irishnews.com/opinion/2021/12/06/news/shameful-orange-silence-over-david-tweed-case-2527430/

They don't give a shit about women and girls.

junebirthdaygirl · 07/02/2023 17:29

I think it's good they did it as hopefully it shows people what they are really like. They obviously don't care one bit what anyone things or who they upset. It forces people to take sides and uncovers what their real attitude is. Hopefully they will lose a lot of support over this.

Tree543 · 07/02/2023 17:42

Awful. Sadly Northern Ireland has one of the highest rates in Europe of women being killed by partner/ex/relative.

www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/04/18/news/spotlight-back-on-north-s-grisly-record-of-violence-against-women-2645783/

Greensleeves · 07/02/2023 17:43

It's the Orange Order. Violent, misogynistic, antediluvian bigotry is their raison d'etre. He's exactly the sort of scumbag I'd expect them to lionise; he embodies everything they stand for.

FebName · 07/02/2023 19:00

Whilst I absolutely don't agree that this man should have been elected it's hardly surprising.

Dirty Den of Eastenders fame murdered an innocent taxi driver. Shot him in the head. Did 10 years in prison where he discovered acting.

Every time I used to see him on TV I thought of the poor taxi driver's family. How awful for them knowing that someone who murdered your brother/dad/son was now famous and living a great life.

I don't think this is an especially feminist issue. It's just shit :(

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2023 19:40

Eastenders doe not make a habit of employing people who killed taxi drivers.

The Orange Order has a long history of misogyny and protecting /promoting members who commit violence against women and girls.

NitroNine · 08/02/2023 11:04

While I agree there are issues about how some communities lionise “gangsters” (eg reworking of Kray gang & contemporaries into pseudo folk heroes; & multiple current gang cultures in both UK & US) @FebName there’s always misogyny & VAWG running through both the gangs & the surrounding cultures. (If it helps, I don’t imagine the family of the taxi driver he murdered were likely to watch Eastenders - German people didn’t tend to bother “borrowing” British TV even if they lived close enough to a base to receive it.)

As PP have said from the start of this thread, the Orange Order have form for covering up VAWG when it comes from their members. This individual has made it clear when speaking to the press he expected the same to be true for him.

@BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn - I was worried someone might manage to have the thread yanked if I wasn’t clear that it’s their own name for themselves, not me delivering a swift kick with my left foot 😶

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Bekindbekind · 08/02/2023 15:35

EdieLedwell · 07/02/2023 16:28

Horrific. "I've done my time"
"He's a good man" said a friend

Well, he IS a good man.

I mean, apart from that murder thingy. But come on, that was ages ago. And anyway, she provoked him. /s

NitroNine · 09/02/2023 11:41

Finally got coverage from the BBC & ITV - including the “sorry not sorry now would you shut up about it” excuse of an apology issued by the Order.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/02/2023 14:52

I'm glad he's stepped down.Hmm
I'm glad the good men of the Orange Order have shown us what they are.Angry

TightFistedWozerk · 10/02/2023 13:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/02/2023 14:52

I'm glad he's stepped down.Hmm
I'm glad the good men of the Orange Order have shown us what they are.Angry

Exactly.

NitroNine · 11/02/2023 02:52

BelTel have done a podcast episode about it all. Frustratingly the articles focusing on VAWG are paywalled, but at least it’s being discussed somewhere.

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2023username · 11/02/2023 08:24

This is the Orange Order though. They do not have a reputation for being good people. Ironically they know all
about real provocation what with their insistence on doing their pathetic marches through Catholic streets.

GrammarTeacher · 11/02/2023 08:33

I genuinely don't understand why the Orange order are allowed to exist. Given that their reason for existence is to incite hatred.

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