Did Susie Green do conversion therapy to her son?

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Inspired by a fairly poor interview with a de-transitioner and her mother which I heard on radio 4 today. The mother had been concerned that her entirely sensible approach, which included rejection of an apparently unreflective offer by GIDS 'professionals', could be seen as conversion therapy.

This made me wonder why what Susie Green did to her son, because of the homophobia her husband felt, is not conversion therapy?

She seemed to be clearly trying to covert him to something she found more palatable.

Again, not talking about the individual but homophobic parents preferring that their little swishy boys be given a medical solution rather than become adult gay men comes up in various whistleblower stuff around GIDS.

Genderism has force teamed itself with sexuality, hence LGBT. Trans has very little to do with sexuality. It has created a false equivalence in people's minds, hence if it is unacceptable to apply conversion therapy to L, G or B people, it must be equally so to apply conversion therapy to T people.

Iran criminalises homosexuality but encourages gay men to physically transition to transwomen. What is that, if not conversion therapy?

In the US, Kai Shipley's mother comes from a very conservative Christian background and she would beat Kai when Kai showed too strong an interest in "girl" toys. Once she realized her son was her daughter, she could stop beating him.

In the US, Kai Shipley's mother comes from a very conservative Christian background and she would beat Kai when Kai showed too strong an interest in "girl" toys. Once she realized her son was her daughter, she could stop beating Kai.

It's shocking that advocates for gender ideology think this is OK - or conveniently ignore that it's happening in their name.

It's been discussed in regards to young lesbians for a while.

The internalised homophobia meaning they'd rather be a trans 'straight' man than a gay woman.

There’s a good interview this week on TRIGGERnometry with a mother of a young boy who transitioned young. She was a fully paid up member of the cult of gender but thankfully had a lightbulb moment early enough to row it back. She talked about how horrific it would have been if he had realised 20 years down the line and knew it was her fault. Worth a listen.

I think munchausens by proxy plays a massive role in this.

Not commenting on the individual case.

But, in cases like this, where parents "trans away the gay" or suggest that their child is the opposite gender because they like the 'opposite' colour/ toys etc is conversion therapy imo. It's converting a child into something you (not you personally) think is more acceptable than a gay or GNC child.

The interview on radio 4 was on PM yesterday. For anyone like us on here it was quite weak yes, but when I heard it, I thought it was a big step forward for radio 4- and that it would be a good and accessible way in for people to start questioning the wisdom of the childhood transition pathway who never have before.

Re conversion therapy- yes! This is one of the inherent contradictions in the ideology that I think people will start to pick up on the more this is discussed in the open.
I've pointed many people to Susie Green's Ted Talk to, hopefully, come to their own conclusions. It is glaring!

This is so common that it became a joke among staff at the Tavistock that there would be no lesbians left, seeing the number of girls brought in by homophobic parents.

As someone said - forcing them into a closet made of their own bodies.

Just a quick note - it's no longer Munchausens/by proxy. It's either Fabricated illness (yourself) or Fabricated induced illness (to someone else).

On the child mutilation front, I would say - if a girl is taken abroad to have FGM performed on her, it is illegal - I'm not sure how this is different when it's a boy being mutilated.

Conversion therapy is using force (psychological/chemical/physical) to induce a change in someone's beliefs, personal traits, sexuality, thinking etc.

I do wonder where behaviour therapy and conversion therapy meet in parenting. All parents attempt to manage traits that they consider problematic in children using some type of force.

She did more than allow it, she arranged it.

I suspect many gender woo ideologues move in socially liberal circles and have gay friends. They genuinely have no idea how strong homophobia can still be in this country, and certainly not how pervasive it is in vast swathes of Christian USA.

I grew up in the 80s with a younger brother, and sharing toys (or just taking what I wanted when I wanted, as I was the eldest 😀) was just normal. As were unisex hand-me-downs like dungarees and shapeless knitwear from your Nan. BMXs, mountain bikes and roller skates were pretty neutral. There was less choice in terms of clothes/toys, and no analysis of what kids did. Simpler all round.

Conversion therapy is using force (psychological/chemical/physical) to induce a change in someone's beliefs, personal traits, sexuality, thinking etc.

So like taking away someone's toys until they say they are the opposite sex to get their toys back?

I just don’t buy SG insistence that it is all the fault of the now sidelined father. She seems to have been able to manage as a single parent once she had drunk the Kool Aid, so why not before. Many women leave a partner who is mistreating their child. Certainly she is a missionary for realising the true ‘gender’ of other peoples children. I believe that she was the driving force in this saga, and he is just the scapegoat.

Of course, it’s only my opinion.

Some topics are very closely monitored.

Suggest anyone interested in this read the The Gay Men’s Network’s submission to the government consultation on conversion therapy.

it’s long but it’s detailed and is referenced with the relevant bits from various court cases and tribunals.

www.gaymensnetwork.com/letters-and-responses

Young lesbians are also very vulnerable to transition pressure but it tends to start up a bit later. A GNC girl is just a tomboy which has been a fairly socially acceptable option for girls for decades (centuries? Forever?) pressure to socially conform starts at puberty (when girls are suddenly told to stop hanging upside down from that tree and start sitting with their knees together and helping with chores).
Whereas swishy little boys are often seen as a problem for their families or for society from 3 or 4.

Not all GNC kids grow up to be LGB but LGB adults are more likely to have been GNC in childhood than straight adults.

So yes, children who are likely to grow up to be same sex attracted are particularly at risk
of conversion therapy via transing their gender.

Plus nowadays a ‘trans child’ can be paraded around the media for ‘cool mummy’ clout

Can I just ask why you thought the interview was weak? I was just astounded the BBC had a 10 min interview on this subject.

@NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom

That was a very interesting and informative read. Thank you

The radio interview was absolutely perfect to play to my 12 year old who has about 10 trans or gender neutral friends. I had paused the radio as so it magically started when she got in the car. Usually she will get cross at me if I dare question any if the bollocks. This interview she listened to intently and though refused to discuss it much ask if I would call her a new name if she was a boy. I said I wouldn't. She said "fair enough". Like a fucking miracle after some of our other discussions.

Sorry for all the typos!

But it seems we can’t mention it