Transwomen and sport

Dougalskeeper · 04/02/2023 10:01

Men however they identify have no place in women's sport

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 10:11

Yup. I mean look at Lia Thomas. 492 in the men’s league, no 1 woman college swimmer…. Men in women’s sports is cheating, however they present

ErrolTheDragon · 04/02/2023 10:16

Transwomen were given the opportunity to show that they respect women and the particular sport in which they play. Insisting on being in the women's rather than men's sections proves that they don't respect either.

It should be noted that there are a few honourable exceptions. Which shows how bogus the complaints about being excluded are - nope, you have choices. You can't always have everything you want.

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 10:21

OP. It is very obvious when you strip it down.

I ask people why they infantilise transitioned males by demanding women allow them access. Because your question of respect also applies to all those arguments.

If a male respects female people and their needs, and knows their presence could cause distress, why wouldn’t they seek alternative solutions for their own needs. Many males do in that situation. So why do these allies continue to attempt to silence women from telling these males that they cause distress. Why are allies so intent on removing these male people’s agency to make the respectful decision?

It is almost like the reality is that despite many respecting women, that just as many, maybe more, do not….

WarningToTheCurious · 04/02/2023 10:21

The latest objection to transwomen competing in the open category is that it would be forcing them to
out themselves as trans and is therefore both unlawful and abusive.

It’s almost as if these people only see women as support humans for males.

Orland0 · 04/02/2023 10:25

WarningToTheCurious · 04/02/2023 10:21

The latest objection to transwomen competing in the open category is that it would be forcing them to
out themselves as trans and is therefore both unlawful and abusive.

It’s almost as if these people only see women as support humans for males.

Well, if a male insists on competing in the female category, he’s already outed himself, so that makes no sense whatsoever 🤔

PuttingDownRoots · 04/02/2023 10:26

Personal opinion... it comes down to misogyny. Men categorising the world as Men and not-men, rather than men and women. I think trans women competing in their sport, using their facilities etc scares them, so they want them in the non-men category. A lot of sports have had trouble with with homophobia and this is an extension of that. (Womens port seems to be more accepting of homosexuality)

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 10:28

WarningToTheCurious · 04/02/2023 10:21

The latest objection to transwomen competing in the open category is that it would be forcing them to
out themselves as trans and is therefore both unlawful and abusive.

It’s almost as if these people only see women as support humans for males.

I don't even think some of them see women as human at this point!

Signalbox · 04/02/2023 10:30

The latest objection to transwomen competing in the open category is that it would be forcing them to out themselves as trans and is therefore both unlawful and abusive.

Lol, Since it's as clear as day that LT, VI and EB are all men competing in a women's race, they are outing themselves as trans. If they participated in the mens race they could stay well and truly in the trans closet.

skeemee · 04/02/2023 10:33

Are there any moves afoot to allow trans women into women’s football?

I can’t imagine the British public being onboard with male bodied players in the England Lionesses squad for example.

it would be totally unfair on the women who have worked so hard to raise the profile of women’s football to then stand back and allow trans women to take their places.

it would definitely shine a light on how ridiculous this situation is tho.

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 10:35

skeemee · 04/02/2023 10:33

Are there any moves afoot to allow trans women into women’s football?

I can’t imagine the British public being onboard with male bodied players in the England Lionesses squad for example.

it would be totally unfair on the women who have worked so hard to raise the profile of women’s football to then stand back and allow trans women to take their places.

it would definitely shine a light on how ridiculous this situation is tho.

They already are. Look up Blair Hamilton.

WarningToTheCurious · 04/02/2023 11:08

Signalbox · 04/02/2023 10:30

The latest objection to transwomen competing in the open category is that it would be forcing them to out themselves as trans and is therefore both unlawful and abusive.

Lol, Since it's as clear as day that LT, VI and EB are all men competing in a women's race, they are outing themselves as trans. If they participated in the mens race they could stay well and truly in the trans closet.

Yes, isn’t it!

It’s like women don’t have eyes and ears and a well developed sense of who is male and who is female.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/02/2023 11:13

The open category is such a brilliant move. I bet a lot of money that the mediocre males currently colonising women's sport will disappear back into mediocrity once their opportunities to cheat are removed.

SunnieShine · 04/02/2023 11:23

Dougalskeeper · 04/02/2023 10:01

Men however they identify have no place in women's sport

Agree. And the use of the word trans "women" obscures what's going. I don't want to use that term anymore but I'm not sure if that's still against MN policy.

WarningToTheCurious · 04/02/2023 11:38

I suspect that the much clearer sex based term still gets a deletion on MN.

BellaAmorosa · 04/02/2023 14:52

I've been saying "men/males claiming to be women". A bit clunky but so far, no deletions!

nepeta · 04/02/2023 21:01

Those transwomen who take part in women's elite sports have always looked to me as possibly self-immersed, i.e., focused on their own glorious story and seeing the female competitors as a cheering section in the play they star in.

Because I am pretty sure that most transwomen don't do this, so the ones who do differ somehow from the ones who don't.

The other theory here may have to do with them engaging in a wider competition in womanhood against a group they actually do not identify with (what they call cisgender women). Those who identify with women will not act like this. I know I would not if I were in that position, but would accept certain losses, however unfair they are, as the price of the transition I would want. Life is often unfair in that sense, for everyone.

Truthlikeness · 05/02/2023 11:01

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 10:35

They already are. Look up Blair Hamilton.

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FA rules allow transwomen to play women's football following an individual assessment. No idea what that entails. Grassroots (non-FA affiliated) is increasingly self-ID which is starting to cause real problems. It's not even possible to question it on the grounds of safety and fairness without being accused of bigotry and cancelled.

Signalbox · 05/02/2023 12:00

New policy in surfing…

www.theinertia.com/surf/world-surf-league-releases-policy-for-transgender-athletes/

MagpiePi · 05/02/2023 12:11

Regarding the choice to compete in specially created trans categories, wasn’t there a story, I think American, where the mother of a girl identifying as a boy thought that there should be separate categories for MiFs and FiMs rather than a single trans category, because it wasn’t fair on the MiFs?
🙄

Happylittlechicken · 05/02/2023 15:00

MagpiePi · 05/02/2023 12:11

Regarding the choice to compete in specially created trans categories, wasn’t there a story, I think American, where the mother of a girl identifying as a boy thought that there should be separate categories for MiFs and FiMs rather than a single trans category, because it wasn’t fair on the MiFs?
🙄

Yes. The Boston marathon. And then someone else after the New York marathon. Because in both of those races, the top 4 or 5 in the non -binary category were er……. Men. Ones that would not have won anything in the male category 😂😂😂. Cue many shocked pikachu faces that just identifying as not a woman does not give you any extra benefits 😂😂😂😂

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 05/02/2023 15:17

PuttingDownRoots · 04/02/2023 10:26

Personal opinion... it comes down to misogyny. Men categorising the world as Men and not-men, rather than men and women. I think trans women competing in their sport, using their facilities etc scares them, so they want them in the non-men category. A lot of sports have had trouble with with homophobia and this is an extension of that. (Womens port seems to be more accepting of homosexuality)

Years ago when I stumbled on this whole thing and saw the potential consequences for women I had a short conversation with my DP.

He was stunned to realise I don't think twaw, he kind of agreed after a bit of discussion that yes ok they are not women. Then he asked what spaces should they use. I obviously said, the mens, where else? He looked most put out. So it seems to men they aren't women, or men.

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SinnerBoy · 04/07/2023 10:06

Signalbox · 05/02/2023 12:00

New policy in surfing…

“The WSL will not test transgender athletes [for testosterone levels] ourselves,” explained Miley-Dyer. “Athletes will arrange their own testing, then come to our chief medical officer to have a confidential conversation and show medical documentation.”

That's an incredibly naïve position for them to have taken, surely they can see the scope for cheating? And that's quite aside from it being nine kinds of wrong having men compete with women in the first place, of course.

oviraptor21 · 08/08/2023 17:40

New policy in from Badminton England following consultation with members. Womens events are reserved for 'assigned female at birth' 🙄 women and anyone can participate in open events.

https://newsletter.badmintonengland.co.uk/i/cC_k4vF1uIzQecOM3o0r7gJogVPMxJIAO7GQGRKofHs

Good to see that it covers all levels down to local leagues. This is an extreme reverse from their earlier position which allowed transwomen to self ID at all levels. Presumably all the currently labelled mens events will now become open events (won't please some of the men who don't like women being allowed into their events currently!).

There are transwomen competing in the women's events in both local leagues and wider tournaments - and winning some of the tournament events so it will be interesting to see the reaction.
Badminton England also plan to introduce a series of events which allowed self ID.
At a regular event you're not allowed to challenge a player regarding their gender identity but report concerns to Badminton England.

https://newsletter.badmintonengland.co.uk/i/cC_k4vF1uIzQecOM3o0r7gJogVPMxJIAO7GQGRKofHs