Three of four transwomen athletes drop out of IOC study

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Harpers last study on just 7 participants was enough to get policy change at the IOC. This new study was obviously meant to back up the IOCs currant stance. What happens now? Harper seems to be trying to style it out.

It’s utterly pointless.

I remember reading an article about EB (it has since been edited - I bookmarked it at the time) where he said he was going to join Dr Harper's study to show how performance decreases.

In other words, there was plenty of scope for working backwards from the result that they wanted - as NotBad says

Alexa, please define the meaning of the word 'anecdote'.

Is this what counts as scientific research these days? Observing someone perform and assessing their performance when they know what the research is for and have a vested interest in performing poorly?

On the positive side, this is a great example of how ridiculous the science behind trans nonsense is. Even someone who knows absolutely nothing about research methods will easily see how stupid this is.

If they try to persuade people to take this "study" seriously, it's going to backfire. I hope.

I'd love to see how they match up a 'control' for the anecdote 'study'.

Maybe we could have someone gender critical who is on the same training schedule and diet... (And whose career is already fucked and has nothing to lose by not being arsed)

Or maybe we won't.

I do like the fact that after hormones, Bridges performance still improved with training. And decreased with less training.

Remarkable isn’t it?

The IOC’s guidelines allow that to take place as long as transwomen athletes have had testosterone levels below 5nmol per litre for a year (men usually have 10 to 35 nmol/L, while a woman’s level is usually 0.5 to 2.4 nmol/L).

If a woman is tested and found to have 1.7 nmol/l, it will trigger an investigation into possible cheating. 2.4 nmol/l is a bit higher than the absolute maximum recorded. Why are Emilies allowed to have more than double the (abnormal) maximum of a woman?

Well the utility bills for the building the research is being done in are addressed to "Emily can race with the women. Legit"

So it will be great! Totally non biased

Does Harper still expect to get a doctorate out of this research.
Testing testosterone for a year what does that mean, twice daily?
I'm sure we know (Emma Hilton research?) that testosterone suppression is short lived so you could test below 5, then stop taking suppression go in the race with t advantage (plus a.the other physical advantages) and win but claim you t has been belie 5 for a year. Lies lies lies.

Apparently Harper has been taken muscle cores from Bridges too. Sounds painful

Here is one study from Hilton but looking at the 10 level not the 5.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289906/

From what I've read they are working backwards from a conclusion not forwards from a hypothesis!

Given the number of men who claim they are women who also claim they have periods, I expect that these men will also believe their performance ability was reduced. What will actually happen is that their ladyfeelz make them stop trying, because like many men, they think women are just putting in less effort.

See also the hairy Glaswegian in his dress and high heels who offered my son’s friend a lift, then made a simpering apologies about being soooo bad at driving because bad a driving is obviously a feature of womanliness.

I believe that Dr Ada Cheung, a Melbourne based Endocrinologist gender specialist is heavily involved an a sports based research project over in Australia. I have not seen this confirmed, but just rumblings over the internet.

It would be interesting to see who is involved there too.

PriOn1 · Today 18:07

See also the hairy Glaswegian in his dress and high heels who offered my son’s friend a lift, then made a simpering apologies about being soooo bad at driving because bad a driving is obviously a feature of womanliness.

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This "her"??

There is a lot of ‘After 3 months on hormones I had to get someone to open the pickle jar for me!’ in trans spaces.

Which is proper stupid because while it’s true that grip strength difference between sexed is a really pronounced, the jar issue is caused by grip strength PLUS significantly smaller hands.
And men’s hands don’t shrink due to taking estrogen! The only bits of them that shrink are what Kate Colman carefully referred to on GB News as the male appendage,

Also, it’s much easier just to turn the jar upside and slide a round ended butter knife between glass and lid until the vacuum seal pops, then the jar will open effortlessly (even for those of us born into the sex associated with teeny-tiny lady hands)

Absolutely no need to stand around simpering until a man-who-isn’t-pretending-to-be-a-woman deigns to open the sodding branston pickle.

Some of us just stab a knife through the lid to break the seal. We don't discuss the fantasies that take place during that process because that would not be ladylike.

I do sympathise with the feelings of rage but stabbing the lid would render the lid useless and that result in awfully large amount of branston pickle to eat in a single sitting.

For lids I bring you: a rubber band. Gives you grip. In fact this £4 baby boa strap wrench is even better so much so that Dh jokingly asked if he could still take the bins out as he said he felt threatened.
I mended the washing machine using it earlier so thought it should be given an honourable mention.

I do sympathise with the feelings of rage but stabbing the lid would render the lid useless and that result in awfully large amount of branston pickle to eat in a single sitting.

And yet the jar with its stabbed lid continues to sit in my fridge for weeks with no apparent ill effects. <shrug>

Harper should study Bridges’ ever decreasing ability to open jars.

When Bridges hands have become sufficiently petite and weak, Harper can compare then compare Bridges opening jars with knives and boa wrenches.

There is SUCH a lot of funding to use up, after all. Wouldn’t want it burning a hole in Harper’s handbag.

There is SUCH a lot of funding to use up, after all. Wouldn’t want it burning a hole in Harper’s handbag.

I know you’re being flippant, but it’s an important point. How on earth is Harper spending any money?

Bike and indoor trainer: Bridges would already have.
Equipment to measure VO2Max directly with a well equiped sports lab: Harper and Loughborough would already have.

That’s it. That’s all these slides would require. And that’s IF VO2Max is being measured directly, as opposed to being calculated. As someone pointed out on Twitter said something like “I’m a 52 year old woman and tell you the same from Garmin [data]”.

How much money has Harper been given and what is it actually being spent on?