Men, older Britons, and Conservative voters are more likely to say trans women offenders should go to men’s prison - YouGov survey results

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While men’s and women’s views are very similar when it comes to a trans woman convicted of sex crimes who has not had full gender reassignment surgery, in each of the three other scenarios we asked about, women are somewhat less likely than men to think the offender should be sent to a men’s prison.

In the case of a trans woman convicted of sex crimes who has undergone full reassignment surgery, this puts women generally in favour of that convict going to women’s prison (by 41% to 28% who say a men’s prison) while men are divided 35% to 34%.

Generally speaking, men, older Britons, and Conservative voters are less likely than their female, younger and Labour counterparts to think that trans women prisoners should go to women’s prisons. This division mirrors views on wider transgender issues.

Aside from the consensus that prisoners like Isla Bryson (red in the chart below) should go to men’s prisons, most groups also agree that trans women offenders who have not had full gender reassignment surgery and who have committed non-violent, non-sexual crimes (purple in the chart) should go to men’s prisons – with Labour voters split and younger Britons taking the opposing view.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/31/should-transgender-women-offenders-be-sent-mens-or

I don't care whether trans women have had their bits chopped off or not, or what type of crime they have committed, no trans woman should be in a female jail - end of. Men's jails have special sections and conditions for vulnerable prisoners. Trans women are allegedly vulnerable so what's wrong with using those? As soon as you concede TWAW you have an insoluable problem.

It really is not complex as TRAs and their acolytes and defenders would have it. It is simple. No trans woman should be in a woman's prison because trans women are not....don't want to risk being cancelled by mumsnet by finishing the sentence.

Bollocks seem like an appropriate response to this

How many sex offenders have undergone SRS?
That is an imaginary demographic.

I think if the survey has any value, and YouGov polls seem to be getting more and more badly designed, it is that it presents a snap shot at a particular moment in time on this issue.

And in some ways chimes with what has been said on FWR. That Labour and younger people seem to have bought into the gender woo, which makes many of us uncomfortable as it seems those more wary of "sex change" as being a reality are likely to be Tory.

I had thought after recent events it might change more in favour of sex based rights.

So obviously the survey doesn't reflect views on this forum, but is an indication of the public as a whole.

Which means getting more people of any age, sex or politcal leanings, more likely to support changes to stop enforced transinclusivity, is still a bit of an uphill climb.

The lets be kind matra seems to still hold sway. Sadly.

to me, full on 'bottom surgery' does make quite a big difference for the prison again question, in a way that it doesn't for, say, participation in female sport or other female 'prizes'. a TW who's had his bits cut off is presumably: 1) absolutely sincere about this trans thing in a way that almost certainly none of the creatures who Ms Sturgeon has been rolling the red carpet out for are; and 2) unlikely to want to rape other inmates. the surgery doesn't make them 'real women' but it certainly makes them less of a danger.

I always wonder whether they make sure their respondents know what they mean by 'A transgender woman'. Do they ever clarify '(a male person, born with penis and testicles)'? Otherwise, quite a few of the answers may be muddied by people thinking about women-who-transition.

Female socialisation, tribalism in politics and trusted media (looking at you Guardian and BBC) willfully obscuring truth/ lying.

Of course Conservative voters are going to be more reality based on this issue, when it's been reasonably well covered by Telegraph, Times and Mail.

A true survey of opinion would have to involve respondents being given facts at the start but facts are transphobic so 🤷

ha, yes. whatshername, Hayley on 'Coronation Street' has a lot to answer for. an immaculately virtuous post surgery TW, attracted to males, played by a 5'3" female actress (bonus points for the old sexist trope of casting an initially 20 something actress to play a woman in middle age), she was near enough the antithesis of the modern 'trans woman'.

I think the older you are the more likely you are to think that TWAW is bollocks & conservatives tend to be older.

Lots of young people have never been in hospital and they won’t have been marginalised because they are middle aged/older women. They can’t imagine having to receive personal care from someone of the opposite sex in fancy dress, their life experience is just too limited.

It is sad to see that young women are not prepared to vote in their own interest to defend their rights.
Perhaps if there was a third space offered in the survey of vulnerable person's unit in a male prison then that would have been the preferred choice of many?

I wonder how many of the much larger amount of don’t knows in the younger people when asked about men who had not had genital surgery were as a result of their brains failing to compute under the weight of cognitive dissonance?

I flat out don't believe this survey. I cannot believe there is a majority or even a sizable minority in ANY demographic that thinks putting an intact rapist in a women's prison is the way to go. I suspect some people don't know what a transwoman is. Why not ask unambiguously if they favour putting a male rapist in a woman's prison. Then there can be no misunderstanding.

This.

The definition of gender reassignment surgery they gave respondents was surgery “ to match the gender they identify with (e.g. breast or genital surgery).” I wonder how many people computed that this could refer to an intact male who has just had facial surgery or fake boobs.

Which is very confusing as the data tabs and the reporting refer to “full gender reassignment surgery”.

Actually the definition was “e.g. breast and genital surgery” but the e.g. confuses the issue. It should be ie.

I think now they should show people a picture of Adam Graham, tell them he's a rapist and ask if he should be held in a women's prison

It is in line with politicians so I’m not surprised

I agree with pp show some pictures for a reality shock and see what they say

Trans activists can’t simultaneously argue that

a) men who have undergone hormone treatment and surgery are no longer a threat because of reduced libido, and

b) children, adolescents and young people don’t have any loss of sexual functioning if they go on hormone treatments and have surgery.

Well, I mean they can, because they’re not averse to ignoring their own logic, but they shouldn’t be able to argue either without challenge.

Men know how men’s minds work 🤷‍♀️

It’s why they are prone to panicking when their daughters first start bringing boyfriends home!

In the case of a trans woman convicted of sex crimes who has undergone full reassignment surgery, this puts women generally in favour of that convict going to women’s prison (by 41% to 28% who say a men’s prison) while men are divided 35% to 34%.

I find it hard to believe that a majority of women would think a man who is a convicted sex offender should go to a women's prison if they have had gender reassignment surgery.

Why would any woman think it is safe to put a sex offender in a women's prisons whether intact or not.

Surely women dont believe that men are innocent and it is their penis that is guilty.

Noticeably that men dont think that.

In a way it is heartbreaking that despite Me Too, all the concerns about pornography on young men, that would would think this is the right think to do. :'(

This is exactly right. It's not complex. Male convicts in men's prisons. Female convicts in women's prisons. There's no need to change this simple rule.