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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Scottish Greens are going on strike.

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ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 22:58

twitter.com/MaggieChapman/status/1620033736661401605?cxt=HHwWioDQ3bSGwvssAAAA

'Scottish Green MSPs will not take part in parliamentary business on Wednesday in solidarity with striking workers. We will not cross virtual or physical picket lines, and hope that others will join us in that.

We will always defend the rights of workers.'

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ArabellaScott · 01/02/2023 11:49

Could we ... could the Greens all get the sack for this?

'Secondary industrial action
It is unlawful to call for, threaten to call for, or otherwise organise secondary industrial action. Such an act by any person or trade union, does not have the protection of the "statutory immunities" described in earlier Sections of this booklet.
Secondary action - which is sometimes referred to as "sympathy" action, or "solidarity" action - is defined as industrial action by workers whose employer is not a party to the trade dispute to which the action relates. Secondary action can be taken by those working under contracts of employment, or any contract under which one person personally does work or performs services for another.'

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hryllilegur · 01/02/2023 13:12

‘Greens utterly fail to understand the law and their own position in relation to it’ shocker.

They got 8% of the vote. And no green constituency MSPs were elected. These people should be totally irrelevant.

Yet here we are with them making shite law and then encouraging illegal secondary strike action.

There’s a big difference between the non- or differently-unionised crossing a picket line to just do the job they are contracted to do and ‘scab labour’ replacing the striking workers.

But, in the case of the elected representatives in parliament - especially those who are part of the coalition government - their responsibility is to turn
up to work and either argue for or actually make the required changes so that a fair settlement can be reached and strike action ended. That is how you support industrial action as a politician.

It’s like a company finance department deciding to stop processing anyone’s payroll in solidarity with a group of people
who’ve complained that they were underpaid last month. It’s so terrible they have been underpaid. But the finance department are responsible for it and they are the only people who can sort it out. That’s not solidarity; it’s further screwing the underpaid people over. Solidarity would be paying them what they are owed, possibly compensating them for the problems it caused, and sorting it out so it doesn’t happen again.

Maggie Chapman isn’t as bright as she thinks she is though.

Shelefttheweb · 01/02/2023 13:21

What is the penalty for secondary strike action?

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 13:33

Shelefttheweb · 01/02/2023 13:21

What is the penalty for secondary strike action?

Is it terribly mean of me to hope it involves a short prison sentence?

Give them all some ‘lived experience of the situation they are currently opining on?

Sugarfree23 · 01/02/2023 13:39

@NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom not at all!
There are lots of people in ivory towers who could do with a wee taste of their own medicine.

BordoisAgain · 01/02/2023 13:46

so they're on the skive to prevent being held to account and are hijacking the legitimate grievances of others to do so?

Why do they always have to co.opt the genuine issues faced by others in order to promote their own well being?

NecessaryScene · 01/02/2023 13:49

Unless MSPs are somehow different from MPs, I would imagine it's not really secondary strike action, cos they're not really employees, so they can't actually really go on strike. In the real world, at least. (Which also means they can't have their salary docked for their "strike".)

But on the other hand, if they're now identifying as employees, we might as well identify as their employers and sack them. If they can strike, we can sack them, right?

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2023 13:49

'Participating workers risk dismissal, disciplinary action or docked wages.'

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HufflepuffRavenclaw · 01/02/2023 13:50

Will anyone notice their absence?

I also thought unrelated workers striking in "sympathy" with other sectors, without a ballot, was illegal?

Shelefttheweb · 01/02/2023 14:01

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 13:33

Is it terribly mean of me to hope it involves a short prison sentence?

Give them all some ‘lived experience of the situation they are currently opining on?

Harriet would decide he was a women and that it was all great. Except perhaps women prisoners needed to be punished for avoiding eye contact or swerving a room he was him.

Shelefttheweb · 01/02/2023 14:01

*Harvie!!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/02/2023 15:29

Harvie, that small man with tiny hands, would decide he's a woman?

Interesting.

Shelefttheweb · 01/02/2023 15:33

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/02/2023 15:29

Harvie, that small man with tiny hands, would decide he's a woman?

Interesting.

Just for the duration of his sentence of course. Sadly though it looks like the only penalty for secondary strike action is from the employer so even if they were employees (or the MSPs staff) it is unlikely the greens would penalise them

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