What’s the difference?

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I was just listening to a radio presenter talk about how he did a phone-in on Adam Graham/Isla Bryson and he said on air he wouldn’t use female pronouns for him. Also that they had lots of trans callers who said he shouldn’t be in a women’s prison.

And I just thought, how are you doing anything different to him? He transitions to get where he shouldn’t be - a women’s prison and you get to go where you shouldn’t be - the women’s toilets. Regardless of your motivation, you’re still violating women’s boundaries. The scale and impact is just different. Now obviously I’m not saying that men using women’s public loos is the same as men being in women’s prisons, that is so so horrific and at least women could leave the loo. But I just thought the underlying principle was the same. I wish he’d followed it up with “but do you use female spaces?”

People say “I’m not using female pronouns for a rapist”. Which I agree with. But why do you have to use female pronouns for any man? You have no idea of their motivation. Why is he not a woman but another man does deserve to have female pronouns? Every situation is that a man has decided that, on his say so, he should be called she.

And I just thought, how are you doing anything different to him?

This question is to the trans callers, not the radio presenter, that wasn’t clear.

I understood. And they aren’t doing anything different. Just expressing extreme male entitlement in a world where women are not considered as deserving of anything as men.

Yep. Ignoring women's consent, violating women's boundaries, mocking women, embodying sexist stereotypes.

It's all just varying degrees of nope.

I agree. As someone put it, some men pretend to be women, and some men pretend to pretend to be women.

None of them are women. And, as always, it's the women in the spaces they're using who are providing the validation.

It's the scale of the problem that changes, but the problem itself remains the same. Incarcerated women can't escape, and the men are proven rapists. But the use of the women is what is at the root. The same with toilets and changing rooms.

It's depressing how some people find the use of women completely acceptable under certain circumstances, but not others.

While Isla Bryson was trotting round free, he'd have been welcome in the women's changing rooms in most high streets, m&s, monsoon, next, the women's changing rooms in most gyms and leisure centres, the female wards in most hospitals.

The next Isla Bryson, probably a lot of them, is already out there. He probably won't get charged as most women didn't report the old fashioned type of indecent exposure, the new 'woke' type would most likely see the woman shamed, kicked out and branded a bigot. And rape, well that's virtually been decriminalised.

We a Scottish family we’re talking about it last night at tea with relatives

the men were all saying lady penis or man’s penis. Which do we have ?
can it be a lady penis in 3 months and we are all your sisters now. And we are now the same as you ladies.
oh and how do we live as women ?

bigots

The whole idea is built on a false and fabricated and fetishised idea of 'feminine' - as suggested by Greer in the Female Eunuch. This 'feminine' idea has nothing to do with real, actual women. It's the whole pornified signifier - a pneumatic doll-figure. Tits, lips, lashes, hairless pudenda - available, uncomplaining, decorative.

And the only way one can maintain that delusion is by denigrating the inconvenient realities of women. Fetishising women is a form of hatred, of course.

It's all women-hatred.

It's completely different, innit!

Those transitioned males in prison are not like the other transitioned males.

Isn't that what the new mantra is? I am sure it will be in a week. Give it time.

I agree. Womanhood is not a prize for good behaviour.

Here's a thought. If all biological women identify as FtM, then state we can't go into men's spaces because of fear of assault,we can then demand a third/fourth set of spaces specifically for FtM. Leave the now echoing womens' spaces for MtF to enjoy in peace (without risk of any nasty TERFs making fun of them).