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The hypocrisy of Anneliese Dodds and Labour

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Mollyollydolly · 26/01/2023 23:51

I think the ship might be starting to turn around slowly, but Anneliese Dodds rightly being called out by so many angry women in response to this tweet.

I mean how bloody dare she.

If Starmer doesn't realise he's got a problem this week and he needs to speak out, he never will. The hypocrisy, the cognitive dissonance .. I don't know how Labour politicians sleep at night.

Annelise Dodds, completely supportive of self-id right up until the moment it seems politically expedient to do a volte-face. Compare and contrast her tweet today with what she tweeted on International Women's Day.

twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1618589511679873024

The hypocrisy of Anneliese Dodds and Labour
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EpicChaos · 27/01/2023 00:34

I made a thread a week or so ago, about an email round robin that bobble head dodds had sent out, in her capacity as shadow equalities minister or some such. It was the usual opportunistic guff - no joined up thinking, no joined up policies! How only labour will protect women and children from those nasty, violent menz, except the ones that think they're women, of course.
Anneliese and her chums must all think that our heads are filled with kapok and button up at the back, pathetic bunch of chancers that they are!

Sausagenbacon · 27/01/2023 07:16

I was raging at the Stella Creasey comment. I remember sc saying, to a mother whose teenage daughter was distressed at having to use the same changing room as a boy that id'd as a girl, that she should, basically, such it up and BeKind.
How unfortunate that so much of this is

Sausagenbacon · 27/01/2023 07:17

On record now. And some of us have long memories

Sausagenbacon · 27/01/2023 07:17

Suck not such

2023username · 27/01/2023 07:20

Yes Labour has been a consistent let down on this issue and the U turning is noted.
I’m still glad they are U turning but I will never vote for anyone who has been happy to throw women under the bus.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/01/2023 07:29

Anneliese Dodds is awful in this role, so was that Charlotte Nichols woman, she obviously Dawn Butler. The only shadow women and equalities minister I liked in recent times was Marsha de Cordova.

Merrymouse · 27/01/2023 07:29

How long till Rosie Duffield receives an apology?

OhHolyJesus · 27/01/2023 07:37

Let's not forget Lisa Nandy's answer to Dr Julia Long from 3 years ago.

Same old same old - more light less heat - and of course she prioritises the feelings of a child rapists.

twitter.com/stilltish/status/1229115736838283266?s=46&t=Hptj9_ZBXtFmV2MfP0y0KQ

Labour's position on this is unchanged - despite what anyone says now, it is a reaction to the outrage and it is temporary. Self ID is already happening, remember none of these men have GRCs, and Labour nailed their colours to the mast several years ago.

If (when) Labour get into No.10 they will be unable to switch sides as they have been taken hostage and it's too late now. They can't say they weren't warned.

AutumnCrow · 27/01/2023 08:00

Labour knows the media - the British press - has all the ammunition it needs to really gun for them all over this. Real ‘looney left’ stuff all over again.

Labour walked right into it. Older stalwarts like David Blunkett can do their best to sound sane, socialist and coherent on sex/gender, but there’s been too much shit spouted on the record from Dodds, Lammy, Butler, Nandy et al. And Starmer is a coward.

And they bullied Rosie Duffield.

JellySaurus · 27/01/2023 08:06

Politicians will often express views or support for views because it seems politically expedient.

I can accept that some privileged people, men in particular, can unthinkingly believe TWAW. But I cannot accept that politicians, particularly female politicians, can truly believe TWAW. Some will be mired in Be Kind, but surely for most they spout it purely because it seems politically expedient at that point? They don't want to be accused of some sort of nasty #phobia, they want to seem progressive, they want to engage younger voters, they've been told to do so by the Party, etc.

nilsmousehammer · 27/01/2023 08:08

They're not u turning, they're just making their mouths say what serves them best in this moment in time.

Merrymouse · 27/01/2023 08:08

I hope somebody asks Lisa Nandy about this.

At what point does it occur to her that, at the very least, there is a category of abusive men who have and will use gender recognition legislation to abuse women, not just to gain access but to put themselves in a position where they can compel behaviour? That this is all part of the abuse?

PacificState · 27/01/2023 08:23

It felt like a definite Shadow Cabinet move yesterday with Cooper, Dodds and a few others (Steve Reed) all suddenly clambering out of their boxes. I suspect they'd been told to make this one very limited and specific point, partly because the example is so egregious and partly because it really suits labour to have the SNP suffering so publicly over a bad policy decision.

Whether Starmer will ever have the courage to make their policy clear is another question. Feels like they're calculating they can get away with fudge because so few people can confidently interpret how the equality act is supposed to work anyway (and 95% of the public has stopped listening by the time you start saying 'exemptions under the equality act')

fromorbit · 27/01/2023 08:23

Labour has an internal conflict over this. The final result is uncertain don't forget 5 years ago most Tory MPs were on the Trans bandwagon now look what has happened. A few more Labour MPs are shifting publicly so there is progress.
The fact is Rosie Duffield and Labour Women's Declaration are making gradual progress against incredible odds. The Labour party being sexist is old news, what is also old news is people inside Labour fighting to get stuff done to improve sexual equality with little support from party elites see how Barbara Castle with a few others got the Equality Act through.

I am not saying anyone needs to support Labour, vote for them, or stop criticising them, but also I think it is not helpful to say that pushing back against Labour internally has no effect. The rhetoric they are using is changing plus we have to remember TRAs inside Labour are melting down just by fact Rosie and others open their mouths. They think they are losing. Look at the panic from them in the Commons and online.

Remember right now it seems certain Labour will either win the next election outright or as part of a coalition in 2024 because the economy is in pieces. Maybe the Tories will pull off a miracle, but if they don't the safety of women's rights in the UK will rest on LWD winning the war inside Labour or at least fighting to a stalemate. There is no way round that. As long as LWD are debating and speaking out the more the TRAs agenda which relies on secrecy can be held off.

If you think the debate is deep now wait till the election campaign in 2024 and before that the fights over what goes into the next Labour manifesto. Things are going to get way more bitter.

MagpiePi · 27/01/2023 08:34

Merrymouse · 27/01/2023 08:08

I hope somebody asks Lisa Nandy about this.

At what point does it occur to her that, at the very least, there is a category of abusive men who have and will use gender recognition legislation to abuse women, not just to gain access but to put themselves in a position where they can compel behaviour? That this is all part of the abuse?

She will probably still insist that any man who uses gr legislation must be one of those 'most vulnerable and marginalised' people, because who else woud want to go through the process, and to suggest that predators would take advantage is transphobic because not only are you conflating two entirely seperate issues but you are literally saying that all men who think they are women are predators.

The current cognative dissonance is astounding but it will be interesting to see how people manage the U turn.

I'm waitng for 'Not All Trans Are Like That' to become the new NAMALT

PacificState · 27/01/2023 08:37

Any advice on how to vote in NEC elections etc would be very welcome @fromorbit - I tend to do whatever Labour First tell me to, but I don't know whether that's helpful for LWD (and I would definitely like to be helpful to LWD). Must be tricky because I suspect any internal candidates sympathetic to LWD are loathe to say so publicly for fear of setting off a Twitter storm among the corbynites

GCMM · 27/01/2023 09:57

Lisa Nandy will just say we need more light, less heat - that's all she ever says, on a loop.

Neverforgetwhothisisfor · 11/03/2023 20:18

LWD hasn’t got a chance. Labour will put this bollocks in their manifesto, and people will vote for them because they either don’t know it is in there, or they are only focused on other issues eg childcare, and then Labour will say “people voted to make it super easy for men to get access to women’s spaces so we’ve got an obligation to do it”

AutumnCrow · 11/03/2023 21:00

GCMM · 27/01/2023 09:57

Lisa Nandy will just say we need more light, less heat - that's all she ever says, on a loop.

I wish someone would challenge her on that, to her face. Light on what, exactly? What would she like light on? Other than her one 'young trans constituent', what can she specifically state she would like to cast light onto? What light? What will this light do? Who will be shining the light?

I have a little light I have
I'm going to let it shine ...

Let it shine let it shine let it shine

Baptist Sunday School circa 1970 ^

It all sounds a bit right-wing evangelical to me. See what I did there, Lisa?

AnyFucker · 11/03/2023 21:06

Nothing less than a public apology to Rosie Duffield will do

I’ll wait….

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