Sex or gender?

[Tabitha1960]

I'm getting increasingly angry and frustrated about seeing sex and gender muddled up. They are two different things!

We need to run a campaign to have these two terms clearly defined and never combined or switched between.

For example every time I start reading a news article about Scotland's Gender Recognition Reform Act they say it would allow people to change their sex on their birth certificates.

So, already, although the very title of the Act refers to "gender", the actual working of Act would change someones legal "sex".

So surely it should be Sex Recognition Act?

There is no need for a "Gender" recognition Act or Certificate because any of us can express any gender we want. For example women can spend their whole lives dressing like men, working in a traditionally male job and following male hobbies and nobody bats an eyelid. They don't need a certificate, or legal recognition, or anything changed in order to "live as the opposite gender".

We need to campaign to force the government to start being clear about the use of these two terms.

The problem is they weren't always words with different meanings. At some point gender was the polite word to use instead of the crude sex. Being polite has been abused...

If you go back and read Hansard when the GRA was introduced, I believe there was some discussion on this topic and that despite some objections, the mixing up of the two terms was deliberate.

But yes, OP, I think it would hugely benefit our cause if every news outlet reporting on this made it clear that “changing your legal gender” involves concrete actions such as falsifying the sex on your birth certificate and other legal documents. I suspect that would shock most people.

Good luck getting a definition for gender out of anyone.

The whole Gender Ideology is based on avoiding firm definitions at all costs.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

Agreed.
Your sex isn't your gender, claim the TRAs, but your gender is your sex. So they simultaneously are and aren't the same thing.

We need to campaign to force the government to start being clear about the use of these two terms.

Tabitha1960, yes the way sex and gender are either inflated or confused is infuriating and it causes confusion.

I wonder if you know about this petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the protected characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex?

If it gets 100,000 signatures the Government will consider debating it in Parliament.
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Shrodinger's gender...

You might be interested to go over and look at this thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4713725-please-help-gender-not-sex-on-a-school-protected-characteristics-poster-just-spoken-to-the-head?latest=1

The amazing criminologist Professor Joe Phoenix has been writing about the importance of accurate reporting of sex for years. She is the person who launched the review of hospitals which found there had been over 6000 rapes and sexual assaults in a 4 year period. In one case the hospital refused to acknowledge a rape in the face of CCTV evidence because the transwoman responsible was not recorded as a man. Yesterday her case against the Open University for discrimination and harassment started in the employment tribunal. Evidently one of the first things the judge did was to ask the counsel for their pronouns.... 🙄

Your sex is in your pants, your gender is in your head. Simple.

A brain in a male body is a male brain. Any thoughts that occur are male thoughts. Can you define what you mean by gender?

PriOn1, there are no male and female brains (read, The Gendered Brain). A human brain in a male or female body is just that. Gender develops as the child grows, giving gendered thoughts.

Of course there are male and female brains. An arm on a male person is a male arm, a leg on a male person is a male leg. It’s related to genetics and if you go down to cellular level, you can tell which sex the brain is in each and every cell.

Ergo, any thought that occurs in a male brain is a thought by a male person, therefore a male thought.

Nobody knows how much of the observable average differences between male behaviour and female behaviour are genetic, hormone related or learned or shaped by socialization. Your book example is someone’s opinion, not accepted fact.

So what do you mean by gender? Can you give any explanation of how you are defining it?

Maybe in your 'imagination' might be a more accurate term?

The brain is very plastic and we are capable of imagining all sorts.

What happened to the 'sex is biology, gender is a social construct' thing?

It became inconvenient because men wanted to claim they are female.

The narrative changes as the public catches up with the issue. Now the debate about sex versus gender is fairly mainstream and features in the media - so the line has had to change in order to keep pushing the boundaries.

So now it is common for trans identified men to claim they are 'female' - even those without surgery or a GRC, including people such as Robin Moira White.
It is interesting to pay attention to the way the narrative and the vocabulary shifts in response to public awareness.

Can gender be pulled out of the head? Is it in my thoughts or part of my brain? Why is it not in my stomach? Is it sharing space with my soul? Or is it my soul? I can't figure out where that one is either...