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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Local women's hospital toilets...

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lookslikeabombhitit · 25/01/2023 14:59

Local women's hospital toilets now have signs on the doors saying this "Everyone. These toilets may be used by any person regardless of gender identity or expression". The toilets have three cubicles and no urinals. The cubicles are not floor to ceiling.

Am I being totally unreasonable thinking that this is just not acceptable in a WOMENS hospital? We have a large, diverse population in the city of different ethnicities and religions. How is excluding those women, along with others like me who don't want to share a mixed bathroom, including everyone? Where do I even start with it? Is there even a point?

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HagoftheNorth · 25/01/2023 15:01

Can you take the sign down?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/01/2023 15:04

The NHS are completely captured. And there's a reason why women's health care has been such a target.
Their priority should be not harming so many women and babies during childbirth and getting all these failing maternity units up to a safe standard, not pandering to a narcissistic minority.

LeavesOnTrees · 25/01/2023 15:05

The sanitary provisions are not in compliance with the Workplace Health Safety and Welfare Regulations 1992.

separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside.

You can make a complaint directly to the hospital on this basis and also your local HSE Health & Safety Executive.

LeavesOnTrees · 25/01/2023 15:07

Also

The provision of suitable and appropriate sanitary conveniences and drinking water is a legal requirement and not providing them would be an infringement of law which could result in a prosecution leading to a fine or imprisonment, together with adverse publicity.

LeavesOnTrees · 25/01/2023 15:16

You can also read the Department of Health In patient care Planning and Design Guidance :

www.england.nhs.uk/publication/adult-in-patient-facilities-planning-and-design-hbn-04-01/

and the pdf here:

www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/HBN_04-01_Final.pdf

On the 1st page it's written :

1.4 The need to deliver the highest standards of privacy and dignity applies equally to all areas of a hospital. Achieving these high standards will usually mean ensuring that men and women do not have to sleep in the same room or share toilet and washing facilities. Patients should not have to pass through areas used by the opposite sex to reach their own facilities.

Note the use of the words opposite sex, which is not gender identity. Human beings can't change sex.

This is interesting also

1.6 In January 2009 the Department of Health launched its ‘Same-sex accommodation’ programme, which aims to all but eliminate mixed sex accommodation from hospitals in England by 2010. With funding and support from the programme, trusts will be expected to reduce mixed sex accommodation to the lowest possible level.

lookslikeabombhitit · 25/01/2023 15:59

Brilliant. Thanks for this. I'll write to them. There still are single lockable stalls with their own wash basins in the clinical areas- which I'm obviously fine with whoever using whenever they need them!

These new 'everyone' ones used to be designated male and female and they're in the main entrance of the hospital so to access single sex toilets/single use toilets you have to venture much further into the hospital.

Does the fact that there are single use toilets further into the hospital change the fact that these ones are now mixed? I just don't see why they've taken away single sex provision rather than added a "everyone" one instead. I can't see that anyone would object to that!

Unfortunately I can't take the signs down. They're pretty well secured to the doors (metal signs and engraved so it's a "thought out change" rather than a piece of paper stuck up).

Same hospital had a cervical cancer awareness post on FB last year that managed not to use the word "woman" as they'd intentionally changed it. Absolute bs.

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LeavesOnTrees · 25/01/2023 16:10

Does the fact that there are single use toilets further into the hospital change the fact that these ones are now mixed?

Check this page out
www.gov.uk/government/news/all-public-buildings-to-have-separate-male-and-female-toilets#:~:text=4%20July%202022-,All%20new%20public%20buildings%20should%20have%20separate%20male%20and%20female,sanitary%20needs%2C%20have%20appropriate%20facilities.

It applies to new buildings but the message is that unisex toilets can be provided in addition to single sex toilets.

Separate unisex (or universal) toilets should be provided if there is space, but should not come at the expense of female toilets.

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