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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ex Head of the Labour party’s domestic policy unit: "Demedicalisation” of the gender recognition makes a mockery of the reserved equality laws that facilitate an accessible public realm for women and girls

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IwantToRetire · 24/01/2023 23:54

“Demedicalisation” of the gender recognition process is intended to reduce the stigma attached to transgender people. Instead, in its proposed forms, it opens up the statutory route to a change of legal sex for all purposes to a much wider group of people.

While our society has for decades agreed to require women and girls to make limited accommodations in the public sphere for all those who are experiencing gender dysphoria, in order to facilitate an accessible public realm, we are still very far from ready to extend those same accommodations to people who would merely prefer to access the sports teams, refuges, hospital wards, rape crisis services, changing rooms and sleeping areas intended for the opposite sex.

That is not a condemnation of trans people. It is an understanding of why so many people are opposed to these reforms as they stand, which make a mockery of the reserved equality laws that facilitate an accessible public realm for women and girls.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/24/trans-rights-in-scotland-and-a-constitutional-clash

Posting as much because it is interesting that someone involved in the Labour Party would write this and that the Guardian would publish it.

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ResisterRex · 25/01/2023 13:00

After the comments from Blunkett, I now get the feeling Labour was flying a kite with this letter. They're not dealing with the core issue and want to soften us up to their Shitty Sex Fudge.

#nothankyou

JacquelinePot · 25/01/2023 15:02

What has Blunkett said?

ResisterRex · 25/01/2023 15:05

Blunkett clip:

twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1618218718743658496?s=12

See also this thread:

Miriam Cates is on Politics Live today, 25 January.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4728027-miriam-cates-is-on-politics-live-today-25-januaryy_

ResisterRex · 25/01/2023 15:07

Sorry should have said, Blunkett came out very sensible, and said it's "just not acceptable" to have males in women's prisons. And that Labour is in a bit of a mess about this

IwantToRetire · 25/01/2023 16:03

in the end women's equality trumps it all

Is he still in the Labour Party!!

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Yeahrightthen · 25/01/2023 16:06

EpicChaos · 25/01/2023 00:19

Well it seems that at least one person might have half a clue but I have to say I don't much like this bit ... " While our society has for decades agreed to require women and girls to make limited accommodations in the public sphere for all those who are experiencing gender dysphoria, "., you see, I don't ever remember being asked, let alone being allowed to answer as to whether I agreed and if so to what extent.
Whatever accommodations were made, were made without comprehensive, wide ranging discussion with society at large, in much the same way as the current and proposed future liberties with womens spaces/needs are concerned have been made with no reference to the wishes of those who will mostly have those situations to contend with.
Still, on the whole, at least whoever wrote that comment has a more stunning and brave attitude than starmer! Not that that takes a lot of effort to achieve, to be fair!

Agree.

I didn’t even know this was a thing until I started looking at the feminist board on mumsnet!

Don’t remember women ever being asked if they were ok with this…..I guess because we weren’t.

nepeta · 25/01/2023 18:01

It is quite eye-opening to notice the exceptions in 'inclusion' which are allowed to base something on biological sex, such as the peerage exception and also the US Rowing exception, both only protecting male interests.

In fact, watching this debate has been like watching one example of how the subjugation of women may have happened historically in many places. There have been women (the #bekind ones) who have contributed to this, but we can all now clearly see the man behind the curtain, too.

BettyFilous · 25/01/2023 21:48

IwantToRetire · 25/01/2023 16:03

in the end women's equality trumps it all

Is he still in the Labour Party!!

For now… The gulag beckons.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 25/01/2023 23:09

I think the GRR has just given Labour a massive wake-up call. The fact that even many pro-independence Scots support the Tories stopping the GRR is huge.

I'm not Scottish, but I used to live near Glasgow. Politics there is so partisan that I wouldn't have believed there was any issue on which a pro-independence Scot would have backed the Tories over the SNP. Yet look at what has happened about the GRR. Despite all NS's attempts to frame the use of Section 35 as an assault on Scottish autonomy, the protests in Edinburgh and Glasgow have been tiny. Polls are showing support for the Tories' response, which is absolutely incredible, given how much even most pro-Union Scots dislike the current incarnation of the Tory Party.

It's no coincidence that we are suddenly hearing Labour voices expressing support for single-sex spaces. They have got a long way to go, and Starmer remains a pathetic enabler of the abuse of women. But you can almost hear the party cogs grinding as they start to reverse-ferret on the GRR.

TinselAngel · 25/01/2023 23:33

Lachlan is, and always has been, a moderate lefty TRA. He aligned with WPUK for that purpose.

He has the same goals as Hayton- ie stopping the madness of self ID to preserve the rights of "reasonable" "transexuals". He has never been on the side of women.

He blocked me on Twitter for asking him a question.

TinselAngel · 25/01/2023 23:45

All this guff is aimed to force team women into still supporting Labour in return for crumbs which we're supposed to believe are negotiated by Lachlan and his mates behind the scenes and which we uppity female realists risk upsetting if we don't tiptoe around delicately.

He's the epitome of what our old friend Lang calls the "Gentry Left". They lead and we should gratefully follow.

Sazzasez · 25/01/2023 23:57

JustSpeculation · 25/01/2023 06:41

I really dislike the idea that "society" can somehow collectively "agree" something that is binding on the rest of us.

Exactly this. There’s no such thing as collective consent.

EpicChaos · 26/01/2023 00:05

" Agree.
I didn’t even know this was a thing until I started looking at the feminist board on mumsnet!
Don’t remember women ever being asked if they were ok with this…..I guess because we weren’t. "
@Yeahrightthen

Well precisely!
It seems to me, that whilst women were allowed, by the two faced with the ability to talk out of both sides of their mouths, to think that they had won some victories over the last few decades, they were really taking away more of our rights, a bit like a literal game of find the lady! " Keep your eyes on the shell that holds the lady ", while it gets shuffled about, only we're not losing money, instead we just lose rights, peace of mind, dignity, safety, etc., but none of that matters because we don't count!

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