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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Britain is becoming sick over trans debate - D. Telegraph

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flyingbuttress43 · 23/01/2023 11:33

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

Excellent opinion piece by Nick Timothy. Extracts:
"The question is not whether we should respect the tiny number of people - 0.2 per cent according to the census - who identify as a trans man or woman. The question is how we manage to do that while also recognising that interests, values and rights unavoidably conflict, and that such conflicts need to be managed in a way that protects half the population of the country."

He said the identiity and interests of women are under unprecedented attack.

"Just as surely as the failure of the police to root out widespread misogyny and abuses of power, and just as surely as the failure of wider society to confront and prevent violence against women and girls, so the political classes are failing women through this intellectually and legally confused progressive calamity."

He concludes: "To escape it, we need to go back to the beginning, and assert simple facts that many educated people claim not to know. A woman is an adult human female. The difference between women and men is biological. Men are bigger and stronger and can present a physical danger to women. They are more likely to be violent.

"We should respect the few people who are genuinely diagnosed as gender dysphoric. We may choose to recognise them, through tightly defined laws, by their acquired gender. But we should ignore the radical activists pushing for more and instead listen to women. A society that tolerates misogyny, violence and threats is suffering a sickness - and only a heavy dose of reality will cure it."

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BoredOfThisMansWorld · 23/01/2023 11:50

Excellent thanks for posting.

What the fuck has it come to that a right wing newspaper is making the links we all see: between the entrenched violent misogyny of the police and the increasingly violent, misogynist activism claiming to be in the name of trans rights.

flyingbuttress43 · 23/01/2023 12:18

In fairness, the DT has never been right wing when it comes to women's rights - it has long fought women's corner over trans rights - not just trans either, but women's rights in sport, business etc.

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axolotlfloof · 23/01/2023 14:37

Thank you. I cannot believe the recent behaviour of MPs and MSPs and am so grateful that a few are brave enough to stand up and be counted.
Back to reality, would be great.

duc748 · 28/06/2023 15:29

Can't read the whole piece, but fully agree with all the extracts above, as would any reasonable person, you'd think. What I would say is that nothing there could be remotely called 'right-wing'. Just because it's in a right-wing newspaper. And of course he's not wrong to highlight and parallel the police's many failures of women recently. Meanwhile, Labour politicians don't have the cojones to speak the truth, retreated behind a wall of be-kind bollocks.

Beowulfa · 28/06/2023 15:57

I don't usually read the Evening Standard even though it's free, but yesterday had a media column from a senior figure bemoaning what the Guardian has become, saying he now has to read the Times and Telegraph for breadth of opinion. Quoted extensively from Suzanne Moore. Hopefully opened some eyes.

dcbc1234 · 28/06/2023 16:28

The irony is that the author Nick Timothy used to work directly for Theresa May until she lost her majority in the second unnecessary election. I would love to know whether she did not go down the gender woo rabbit hole until after he had resigned from working for her or whether he has changed his mind on this issue.

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