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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Labour Party wrote to me...

21 replies

Sh4rkAttack · 22/01/2023 00:32

... so I replied:

Thank you for this timely reminder to cancel my membership to the Labour Party, something I have been meaning to do for a while. It saddens me greatly that I no longer feel able to support the party that I grew up leafleting for, and I hope that one day I might rejoin the party, but until you engage respectfully with women's concerns about gender self-identification, and take a principled and considered stand on the wider issues regarding 'trans rights', I will remain politically homeless.
While the self-id legislation is being presented as a 'streamlining' of the process of obtaining a GRC, in reality moving from a situation where a small number of people with a particular medical diagnosis are able to change the sex recorded on their birth certificate, to one in which everyone's legal sex is simply a matter of personal choice represents a fundamental ideological shift. Putting aside the question of whether GRCs are appropriate for anyone, making them freely available for everyone would send a very powerful message.
In my daughter's year group of around 90 students, at least a dozen of them are identifying as trans. They are 12 and 13. Most of them are girls, and many of them are binding their breasts. Until recently my daughter was one of them; the school's response was to encourage her to join the LGBT society, where they had a trans speaker coming to talk to them about being trans. These children are struggling with puberty and the effects of lockdown, and are desperately in need of support. Instead they are being encouraged onto a path that might lead to infertility, major and risky surgery and a lifetime of medical complications. There is nothing progressive about telling a child they have been born in the wrong body if they don't like the things stereotypically associated with their sex and (as they will discover) identifying into their chosen 'gender' will not erase the reality of either their sexed bodies or the sexist society in which they live.
I find it astonishing, given the closure of the Tavistock, the recent revelations about safeguarding failures at Mermaids, and the ever increasing number of detransitioners that you can be so dismissive of those who voice concerns about a law that would entrench this culture further. Please cancel my membership with immediate effect.

The Labour Party wrote to me...
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MadameDefargetheBoiledbeetleversion · 22/01/2023 01:11

Good on you.

I keep mine going so I can harangue them on the phone when they call begging for something from me. It sometime takes me an hour a call!!!!

Although had it been due for renewal at the end of this month rather than December I would have been cancelling.

Christmasisshit · 17/02/2023 06:49

Did you get any response?

nauticant · 17/02/2023 07:35

I missed this first time round. That's a soundly good letter.

Francesgumm · 17/02/2023 07:37

Excellent letter.

megletthesecond · 17/02/2023 07:37

I'll be interested if you get a reply. They ignored both of my complaints. So I left.

PegasusReturns · 17/02/2023 07:47

Great letter

I wonder whether they simply don’t care when “politically homeless” makes it clear that whilst we won’t vote for them, we also won’t vote against them.

it’s the voting against that makes the difference

LizzieSiddal · 17/02/2023 07:51

Brilliant letter which sums up the whole issue.

Thank you for sharing.

Abra1t · 17/02/2023 07:52

Excellent letter.

highame · 17/02/2023 08:14

I'll be surprised of you get a reply. This is big no debate territory. If they find their support in the opinion polls waning, then perhaps a response or volte face will happen

Boiledeggandtoast · 17/02/2023 08:28

Great letter. I would also be interested to hear if you get a reply; I had no response when I contacted my Labour MP expressing my concerns.

I wonder whether they simply don’t care when “politically homeless” makes it clear that whilst we won’t vote for them, we also won’t vote against them.

That is a good point Pegasus. At the last local elections, I explained to the Green party canvasser why I wouldn't be voting for them. He was interested to know that I wouldn't be voting Labour either (he asked) and seemed to think that was some sort of compensation.

Datun · 17/02/2023 08:34

That's a great letter. Clearly factual and deeply disturbing. It's really shocking how anyone could disagree with any of it.

in reality moving from a situation where a small number of people with a particular medical diagnosis are able to change the sex recorded on their birth certificate, to one in which everyone's legal sex is simply a matter of personal choice

The self evident absurdity will never cease to amaze me.

I really hope they reply. More and more people are publicly coming out against this ridiculous ideology, sometimes it only takes one letter to tip the balance.

PoliticalFootball · 17/02/2023 11:05

That's a very good letter. The fact you have direct experience with your own child is very powerful. I wonder how Keir would respond to it if it ever actually got in front of him - which I sadly doubt it will.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 11:13

Excellent letter

i really don’t understand how what you describe happening with your daughter and friends isnt raising massive questions in the minds of the adults

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 17/02/2023 11:26

You won't get a reply but they will continue to send you all manner of emails despite you complaining and them insisting they've removed you from all their lists.

Sh4rkAttack · 18/02/2023 23:10

I've just noticed this thread has been revived... thanks for the encouraging comments 😀No reply, of course, other than a generic we're sorry you're leaving acknowledgement...
I share your incredulity at the whole thing, datun... its all just such nonsense that stands up to no scrutiny whatsoever.
But you're right if course, Pegasus... unless I'm actually going to vote tory, which I'm not, withdrawing my support from them has limited impact.

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mellongoose · 19/02/2023 07:55

Sh4rkAttack · 18/02/2023 23:10

I've just noticed this thread has been revived... thanks for the encouraging comments 😀No reply, of course, other than a generic we're sorry you're leaving acknowledgement...
I share your incredulity at the whole thing, datun... its all just such nonsense that stands up to no scrutiny whatsoever.
But you're right if course, Pegasus... unless I'm actually going to vote tory, which I'm not, withdrawing my support from them has limited impact.

So then vote Tory. They are the only ones coming close to getting this right.

Ndd135632 · 19/02/2023 08:04

I am voting Tory because of this. And I am a usually a Labour voter. Everything else doesn’t matter to me until women have secured their basic protections. I have a daughter and refuse to be complicit in this nonsense.

Happyvalleyfan · 20/02/2023 06:33

but I couldn’t vote Tory either. Wouldn’t it be good if there was an independent GC candidate in each constituency? This would reveal strength of this as well as send a message to Labour, Greens and Lib Dems. The end result would be a Tory where I live, but at least I wouldn’t have voted for them on ballot paper.

Ndd135632 · 20/02/2023 07:39

Happyvalleyfan · 20/02/2023 06:33

but I couldn’t vote Tory either. Wouldn’t it be good if there was an independent GC candidate in each constituency? This would reveal strength of this as well as send a message to Labour, Greens and Lib Dems. The end result would be a Tory where I live, but at least I wouldn’t have voted for them on ballot paper.

Yes it would. But the thing is. Would that vote be strong enough to make Labour consider women. I am so angry about all this now that I am willing to vote Tory for the first time ever. Angela Raynor in the Sunday times yesterday - I mean does she think we are all stupid? Clearly she does.

Cupcakesnake · 20/02/2023 07:43

@Ndd135632 I agree, and will be doing exactly the same for the same reasons.

Fantastic letter OP. I'd be tempted to send it to every MP in your area and explain the Labour MP couldn't be bothered to respond.

2023username · 20/02/2023 07:46

I voted Tory for the first time ever in the last set of (local) elections. I survived and am reassured every time I see this kind of rubbish from Labour. I will vote Tory again. My Labour MP (female) is pathetic in this issue.

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