BBC R4 Today - gender woo followed by Afghan women

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How could anyone listen to Thought for the Day (gender/soul woo flavour tripe) just now directly followed by a segment on Afghan women being trapped at home and excluded from public life, and not think WTAF … no identifying out of the hell it is to be female in Afghanistan

It's good that Emma Barnett is off on maternity leave to give birth to her longed-for second child (fingers crossed), but blimey, Woman's Hour is really poorer for that.

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some of the views on here are simply terrible.
I am so surprised at the bigotry.

Well yes, but that’s the thing - gender ideology is essentially about misogyny and Rani, for instance, seems to have bought into it.

Which views are these?

Can you please elaborate because I don’t know what you are referring to specifically…?

Re:women’s hour - I simply cannot listen to it when it is Anita Rani. Not just her views on this topic but in general, she doesn’t sound like she employs any critical thinking. The comments above about football don’t surprise me. She is also a very poor interviewer and doesn’t seem to be able to think on her feet and ask follow-up questions in response to what was just said. There is a lot of simpering. It took me some time to warm to Emma, as I was also mourning the loss of Jenni Murray, but Emma is such a professional and I look forward to her return.

Hello there, Justtellingthetruth, having seen your contributions previously, it seems your truth includes TWAW, so like, not the actual truth, unless you change all the word definitions…
while you’re here, can you explain what it is that TW and old-fashioned cunty women have in common that they don’t share with men? Please?

@BlackLambAndGreyFalcon it was Akhandadhi Das.

I too thought that Nick knew exactly what he was doing when he cut from gender woo/souls distinct from bodies straight into the brutal oppression of women in Afghanistan.

Tell me who is meant to be the “most marginalised” though? How dare they claim that title.

Afghan women and girls can’t work or go to school. Goodness knows what else they can’t do.

Most oppressed group my bloody eye.

i will resume listening to TFTD when they stop it being all religious and get at least a Humanist or two on there.

Actually I’ve thought of something else. Parks. Afghan women can’t use parks. Let’s just ponder that.

I was deeply horrified when I heard someone spell out the implications of women being barred from universities, which are that women studying medicine will not be allowed to finish their degrees. No more women will be accepted to study medicine. Men are not allowed to touch women's bodies, so male doctors will not treat women. There will be no more women doctors. Women will not be able to access medical treatment and will die.

But clearly men who identify as women are the most oppressed ever.

I too am awaiting further explanation on the bigotry claim.

ClaudiusTheGod · Today 12:56

Which views are these?

At a wild guess, the heresy of not accepting the Transubstantiation of men into women.

I can't vouch for these news because I read them on Twitter, but in some province women can't go out without their male guardian and in another province, perhaps the same, women can't see male doctors (which will be all doctors in the future, as women are banned from education). I also read that travel agencies are told not to book trips for women who plan to travel alone.

I would argue that Afghan women are the most marginalised and terrorised group in the world currently, certainly in terms of numbers of sufferers.

Nick knows. It's not just about self, we don't live in a vacuum. It's about how people's beliefs become actions that affect others. Well played, Nick.

There have been some similarly well placed articles over the last few years I feel, to make points without being overt.

Rani often seems quite sexist.

Ive not listened yet but I saw there was a piece on how little academic research there on breast milk and menstruation compared to tomatoes and semen

The point being research is also extremely sexist.

I wonder how many Afghan men identify as women.

I bet the juxtaposition of gender-woo and Afghan women was deliberate.

didn't there used to be an Afghan tradition of families with no sons where the oldest daughter could identify as a boy and take over some of the duties of a son? I seem to remember that, but may have dreamt it.

Bacha posh. But only until puberty. And IIRC fairly secretively.

And often it was not her choice, either, but imposed upon her.

thank you, that's the one. I knew it ended with puberty though, such a shame for them.

I read that even that system is being stopped i a lot of really hardline Taliban strongholds.

The BBC has spent many years ramming this ideology into everyone’s thoughts. As a woman I pay a licence fee to be abused but can’t not pay as it is mandatory.