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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gillian Keegan's teen transition comments perhaps learned from new education adviser

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ChristinaXYZ · 17/01/2023 19:32

Guido Faulks has pointed out some interesting stuff about Keegan's advisor after she went about voicing her ok to transition at 16 views this morning:

"It seems odd that a Secretary of State would deviate so wildly from the government line, however a recent DfE appointment might shine a light on Keegan’s thinking. The Department for Education recently announced the hiring of Russell Viner as their Chief Scientific Adviser.

Russell Viner has spent much of the last decade researching the effects of puberty blockers. Recently a paper of his found that the effect of puberty blockers was “positive for the majority”. His research involved giving such blockers to 12–15-year-olds with gender dysphoria. To be fair to Russell, he did also say that “we are dealing with unknowns” and that further study was “essential”. This didn’t stop the controversial and discredited Tavistock Centre from citing his paper as the justification their decision to give hormone treatment to pre-teens."

order-order.com/2023/01/17/gillian-keegans-teen-transition-lesson-learned-from-new-education-adviser/

Keegan as education secretary is not going to support gender critical staff, students or parents within schools.

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WarriorN · 17/01/2023 19:45

What on earth was the reasoning behind that appt?

Didn't know the dfe needed a Chief scientific advisor...

ScrollingLeaves · 17/01/2023 20:03

Keegan as education secretary is not going to support gender critical staff, students or parents within schools.

She is a nail in the Conservative’s coffin for the next election then, for people who were counting on the Conservatives having understood more about the problems of transing children recently than they had before. Is it back to square one?

As for bringing in a ban on ————— therapy for people with gender dysphoria - unless there are also very clear protections in place to support counselling and exploration around the reasons for it such as abuse, trauma, being in care, homophobic influences, autism and peer pressure - that will be the absolute end imo.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/01/2023 21:24

Hmm. The DfE are scurrying around trying to put out the trans "guidelines" for schools that they've been promising for over 5 years. Given how easily all the adult trans groups have been able to capture the DfE civil servants, one would hope that they'd learnt it's important to have adults focussed on child safeguarding and well being rather than trans rights.

Musomama1 · 17/01/2023 21:29

I've been very interested in her comments.

She says that 16 years old is old enough to change gender because she had a full time job and a business at the age of 16. This is literally no comparison. Her full time job didn't pose safeguarding issues in schools, point to mental health issues,and social contagion.

She doesn't get it.

I think she needs to step down from this role, she's tone deaf to both the Self ID debate and gender ideology in schools, and will be another reason to vote elsewhere or abstain if she continues to come out with these illy thought out flippant remarks.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/01/2023 22:29

Musomama1· Today 21:29
I've been very interested in her comments.

She says that 16 years old is old enough to change gender because she had a full time job and a business at the age of 16. This is literally no comparison. Her full time job didn't pose safeguarding issues in schools, point to mental health issues,and social contagion.

She doesn't get it

I think she needs to step down from this role, she's tone deaf to both the Self ID debate and gender ideology in schools, and will be another reason to vote elsewhere or abstain if she continues to come out with these illy thought out flippant remarks.

She doesn’t get it. Is this next phase all going to be a disaster?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2023 22:33

She's completely out of her depth.

ArabellaScott · 17/01/2023 22:46

ARgh.

GKnotGC · 17/01/2023 23:14

Name changed for this. She's my MP and very ambitious. She's had a long career in business and stood on a business platform. That's her 'thing'. Education is not, apart from the vocational training/apprenticeship angle. She has older stepsons, no daughters and no, I don't think she really gets it and yes, she's out of her depth. She has potential to screw this up.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/01/2023 00:18

Whoever gave her that job screwed up too then.

NotBadConsidering · 18/01/2023 00:29

The Tavistock research actually showed no improvement in psychological functioning for those children who went on puberty blockers.

WarningToTheCurious · 18/01/2023 04:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2023 22:33

She's completely out of her depth.

Keegan standing in a puddle would be out of her depth.

Musomama1 · 18/01/2023 08:07

Maddening when as Minister for Wellbeing I heard her talk about how awful it was a young lad was granted plastic surgery on his nose rather than explore why he disliked his appearance.

You can't make this up. Is she aware of the irony here?

She appears out of her depth but I do wonder if she is simply a trans ally, in which case she is truly in the wrong job.

GKnotGC · 18/01/2023 09:03

Without a clear briefing I think it's her default to respond to things through a business lens because that's what she knows. I don't think she feels confident with anything else. Certainly the recent media performances I've heard have been woefully inarticulate and unconvincing. Flailing around in a puddle indeed! But, to be optimistic, I don't think she has strong personal opinions or political convictions on the matter. And because she's ambitious she'd come down on the GC 'side' if she thought it would benefit her career.

WarningToTheCurious · 18/01/2023 10:02

I don't think she has strong personal opinions or political convictions on the matter.

Me neither. I think her opinions are formed solely around what will progress her political career.

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