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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the anything solid at all to back up TransPeople being the most vulnerable?

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OldFashionedWomen · 17/01/2023 17:20

I'm not a deep thinker, big researcher or particularly experienced with this topic.

But I see this "most vulnerable" phrase being trotted out.

No stars have crossed my path to support this, so I'm going on instinct that transgender people are not the most vulnerable of society.

I'm sure life can be a struggle avd a challenge for them; not feeling like they fit it, feeling that their wait to access medical intervention is long, feeling that people judge them, or dislike them. But those are just feelings? Feelings are hard and we all struggle with them sometimes.

Are they in danger? If so from what? Avd if they are in Danger, are they more in danger than a trafficked person?

In my very simple mind, being trans is an element of your personality, and no one should suffer for havering a certain style, idiosyncrasy, so why are massive accommodations being request for them?

Happy to read more into the stats of vulnerability if someone can link.

Thanks all

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sarahc336 · 17/01/2023 22:56

Being transgender is a risk factor for successful suicide attempt. I work in a nhs mental health trust and we would consider them vulnerable on this basis.

Circumferences · 17/01/2023 23:12

sarahc336 · 17/01/2023 22:56

Being transgender is a risk factor for successful suicide attempt. I work in a nhs mental health trust and we would consider them vulnerable on this basis.

If you worked for the NHS you would know that the leading cause of death in males under 50 is suicide.

Transpeople have the same suicide risk in accordance to their sex.

Is the anything solid at all to back up TransPeople being the most vulnerable?
Cattenberg · 17/01/2023 23:26

In recent years, there have been some harrowing media reports detailing the horrific murders of trans sex workers in Brazil. I wonder if some people have wrongly inferred from these cases that trans people all around the world are at extreme risk of being murdered.

maddy68 · 17/01/2023 23:30

Anyone with psychological or physical issues is vulnerable what's so difficult to understand?

Cattenberg · 17/01/2023 23:48

Yes, I thought that people with anorexia or borderline personality disorder were particularly at risk of early death or suicide. But please correct me if I’ve got that wrong.

Thesonglastslonger · 18/01/2023 00:09

No.

But they identify as the most vulnerable, and in the reality they’re trying to create, all that matters is how you identify.

If only I could identify as young and thin.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 18/01/2023 00:14

Agree with @exwhyzed

Whatsnewpussyhat · 18/01/2023 00:33

sarahc336 · 17/01/2023 22:56

Being transgender is a risk factor for successful suicide attempt. I work in a nhs mental health trust and we would consider them vulnerable on this basis.

People with mental health issues are vulnerable. It doesn't help that TRA's and the media constantly pump out bullshit suicide stats and tell children that suicidal thoughts are part of being 'trans'.

That doesn't make people trans people the most vulnerable though.

Children are vulnerable to social contagion and being coerced by adults into believing lies.
I don't, however, think adult male cross dressers, AGP'S and aggressive TRA's are 'vulnerable' at all.

WalkthisWayUK · 18/01/2023 00:35

No, I am deeply skeptical of the ‘most vulnerable’ argument. That is not to say that there are not troubled and vulnerable transpeople, but the evidence is not strong.

I am a researcher btw. Most studies cited are surveys, where trans people are asked about their experiences. There was a recent one saying that many trans people had suffered a sexual assault and lower mental health that I read. However it had not detail whatsoever about the nature of the assault, whether this happened before someone was trans, which could possibly have led to wanting to not be comfortable with their body for example. The assumption is that lower mental health = someone struggling with gender and therefore becoming trans will help. But it is just an assumption! Lower mental health may well be a vulnerability to try to ‘seek’ a fix, any fix.

I’ve also seen a delve into suicide and transgender. Something that is frequently cited that if you don’t ‘affirm’ a young people of child then they might go on to have terrible mental health issues and possibly feel suicidal. Again there is no robust evidence on the cause and effect. There was a commissioned report where again, a SURVEY was used and many transgender people did report more suicidal feelings than those without. However again, did this result in actual self harm or suicides? We have no data. Did the mental distress happen as a result of becoming transgender, was it before, was it because of being not validated enough? Again, no robust evidence.

WalkthisWayUK · 18/01/2023 00:43

sarahc336 · 17/01/2023 22:56

Being transgender is a risk factor for successful suicide attempt. I work in a nhs mental health trust and we would consider them vulnerable on this basis.

I would like to see the evidence to back this up as I do not think we have that data.

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