'Born in the wrong body' Nokes hasn't had the memo then...

[RPMcMurphy]

Even Mermaids are not pushing this nonsense now, so to hear it (saod out loud on the BBC) from the chair of the Women and Equalities Select Committee is shocking:

twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1614588464648814594?s=20&t=9bNARKr4DioBm81wh3kT1g

I didn’t know mermaids arent saying that now, can I ask what they are saying instead?

I think that this is somewhere where (lots of) trans people and GCs actually agree.

Although it's a simple way to describe the trans experience, I think most trans people aren't ashamed of their body (nor should anyone be)!

A good way to think about it is to imagine the disgust at having gender disaffirming treatment for yourself, i.e. if you're a woman then taking testosterone. For trans people this disgust must be elation and relief instead.

Can you explain this a bit more?
What would be disgusting about taking testosterone? Many women do in menopause.

Are you talking about the affects on the body? Vaginal atrophy? Yeah, that would be pretty shit, but disgusting?!

“Born in the wrong body” 😂

Surely nobody with a few brain cells actually says that any more?

Sorry, wrong thread ^^

This explains why they don't use the phrase any more, but there isn't much guidance on what you should say instead:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/do-you-still-use-the-phrase-born-in-the-wrong-body/

Surely nobody with a few brain cells actually says that any more?

There's your answer.

She’s got a nerve hasn’t she saying we need to treat people with respect? I’ve seen her be completely snarky and rude to people who disagree with her on this issue.

This is one of those lines where, if you say it slowly to yourself, makes fuck all sense. No one can be born in the wrong body. Whose body have you got and how did it get swapped when your were in the womb?

It's total shite.

To be fair, I’m in the wrong body. I identify as a slim woman with dark hair and firm boobs yet somehow I’m an overweight woman with saggh boobs, grey hair and a hairy (double) chin. Can anyone point me in the right direction for some magic pills that will make me 21 again?

I totally get that someone could feel they were born in the wrong body if there was any evidence that the brain is somehow “sexed” eg a male brain is different from
a female one, as this could then be a mismatch with the body, but I’ve yet to see any scientific evidence that a male brain or a female brain exist, in fact the opposite. I’ve seen reference to studies that appear to show that there isn’t such a thing as a female brain or a male brain. I wonder if anyone has any evidence otherwise.

Surely a male brain is just a brain housed in a male body and a female brain is just a brain house in a female body. Any difference between one brain and another is just normal variation within males or females.

It's a weird, misleading way of saying "I don't like my body" that pretends it's something different from that.

If the only thing that made you trans was 'not liking your body' then I can't think of many people that wouldn't be trans.

And no, there isn't a 'male' or 'female' brain separate from the male or female body. There are a few things that tend to indicate someone is more likely to be one sex or the other - e.g. size of the brain (proportionate to the bigger size of male bodies), but nothing that uniquely occurs in one sex or the other.

Basically if you're male, and have feelings or behaviours or characteristics or preferences of any sort, then those are an instance of male feelings, male behaviours, male characteristics and male preferences.

Some police officers do.

Yeah, it's another of the trans logic gaps.

"Here's a thing we associate with women"
"Oh actually we observe it in some men too"
"Wow! That means some men are actually....WOMEN!"
"Um, or maybe it's just that the thing isn't actually exclusive to women, as evidenced by its presence in men?"
"What crazy talk is that? Clearly it's proof that we have misunderstood what a woman is! How else could this womany be in a male person unless they were actually a woman?"

Facepalm

I know a transgender person quite well who says that ‘born in the wrong body’ is nonsense and ‘nobody uses it’ by which he has clarified he means that it is generally seen in trans circles as simplistic, unhelpful and inaccurate. So that is a point of contact with some, possibly most, trans people.

The main conceptual problem is ‘gender identity’ which I don’t understand and he can’t explain to me.

This. No one is born in the wrong body. Your body is your body. That’s reality

Are you saying that in fact my body should be that of a much younger fitter healthier woman? I can get on board with that (although it’s a complete fantasy).

Well that proves my point, doesn’t it?

This made me spill my wine that’s identifying as cocoa. Very funny!

I can imagine a gender identity as having a prediction of what your body is going to look like and that not matching what you see. So I know what I expect to see if I look down my body in bed or whatever, and if I saw something else that could be distressing. I remember seeing signs of physical change at puberty for example, and again at pregnancy, and that could be really disturbing at the time, though obviously I got used to it. Having a condition or perspective that meant I never got used to it would be hard.

I didn't know it was no longer pc to say it. And I thought it used to explain it quite well. I don't understand why someone said above that no one with 2 brain cells would say it. I felt re Joe Public, it explained it, simply, to those who perhaps had never come across the terms trans before. But I get that things have moved on. I won't use it again.

My neighbour says it too,but she's nearly ninety and her eldest grandson calls himself Helena.

But that doesn't explain all the males who claim a womanly gender identity who are more than happy to have a lady penis.