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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Times: Sunak preparing to block Scottish gender reform bill

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ResisterRex · 13/01/2023 22:11

Sunak preparing to block Scottish gender reform bill

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c845bae2-9377-11ed-beb4-99fcdfa7645c?shareToken=217d9586d687af757742096583505820

"Rishi Sunak is poised to block Scottish laws that make it easier for people to change their gender, in an unprecedented move that will provoke a constitutional row.

The Times has been told that new legal advice will pave the way for the government to stop Nicola Sturgeon’s gender recognition laws from getting royal assent next week.

The advice states that the legislation will have an adverse impact on UK-wide equality legislation, enabling ministers to block it. The government will make its case on technical and legal grounds but ministers have repeatedly expressed concerns about the potential impact of the Scottish legislation.

Sunak will make a final decision with Alister Jack, the Scotland secretary, next week on invoking section 35 of the 1998 Scotland Act, which will prohibit Holyrood’s presiding officer from submitting the bill for royal assent. The Times has been told that they will follow the legal advice."

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NotRightNowNo · 13/01/2023 22:16

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Sturgeon will make the most of the opportunity to push her independence agenda of course, whilst still claiming to be a feminist.

ArcaneWireless · 13/01/2023 22:18

She can claim all she likes.

She has got more chance of convincing me she is a Fiat Punto.

AnyFucker · 13/01/2023 22:19

@NotRightNowNo you have it spot on

Nicola Sturgeon is happy to throw women and children under the bus to get what she wants

I feel sorry for the Scottish people

SirChenjins · 13/01/2023 22:20

Let’s hope they do - the madness of Queen Nicola has to stop.

Igmum · 13/01/2023 22:37

Good. I've been desperately worried that we would get self-ID via the back door.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/01/2023 22:42

Hopefully this will be the start of the political realisation that self ID is not compatible with child safeguarding and the rights of other protected groups, especially women.

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2023 23:18

'“Such concerns were voiced during the passage of the bill in the Scottish parliament. It is therefore unfortunate that the position of the Scottish government has remained opaque and at times contradictory.”'

No shit, Rishi.

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2023 23:19

Sorry, misattributed. Quote from Lord Keen of Elie, ex advocate-general for Scotland.

beastlyslumber · 13/01/2023 23:23

It's just not tenable for Scotland to have self ID without being an independent country. I can only assume this is why they've pushed so hard for it. But I sincerely think it will backfire and the SNP will lose whatever credibility it has left. Good.

Boiledbeetle · 13/01/2023 23:35

I'm remaining pessimistic about this.

I'm optimistic though that my pessimism will be misplaced.

🙃

Nothingandnowhere · 13/01/2023 23:45

Yes. Exactly that Boiled Beetle.

Leafstamp · 13/01/2023 23:50

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/01/2023 22:42

Hopefully this will be the start of the political realisation that self ID is not compatible with child safeguarding and the rights of other protected groups, especially women.

Please, this, please.

onyx12 · 14/01/2023 00:00

I will sleep better tonight knowing this

Thesonglastslonger · 14/01/2023 00:06

I think Nicola may have shot herself in the foot here. She forced the vote on this through, knowing that the Tories would have to move to block it (because it’s a power-grab). Then she wants to point to the Tories and say ‘see: evil Westminster is obstructing the will of the Scottish people’.

But she bullied, threatened and forced colleagues to get the Scottish vote through. Scotland does not want it: it does not represent the will of the Scottish people.

So Nicola is now in major danger of the Tories being seen by her electorate as riding to the rescue, interjecting some sanity and proving that Westminster still has a useful role to play.

Slow handclap for Nicola…

YouTarzan · 14/01/2023 00:09

This is fantastic news!

Abccde · 14/01/2023 00:10

Igmum · 13/01/2023 22:37

Good. I've been desperately worried that we would get self-ID via the back door.

My understanding is that I could easily get a GRC as could my DH.

We live in England.

Just one example of how it impacts the UK, but the greatest impact would be on the Equality Act in Scotland itself which is a reserved act.

My mum, mum in law, my sisters in law and nieces deserve equality in Scotland.

RhannionKPSS · 14/01/2023 00:20

Did you see the Mermaids are going to be involved in further NHS training? Don’t know how to link but it’s in The Telegraph. Please get this news about this appalling state of affairs out there.

Thelnebriati · 14/01/2023 00:44

Archived link; archive.ph/BOgDF

AnotherDayAnotherView · 14/01/2023 00:49

Anyone who believes that a man can become a woman or vice versa should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Number of people worldwide who have changed sex = 0

Idonotcareforcarrots · 14/01/2023 01:02

I’m in Scotland, no fan of Nicola Sturgeon though or Rishi Sunak either to be fair, but thank fuck if Westminster are going to put a block on this.
I would like to think that any sane woman who previously supported Independence would think again if supporting SNP means you accept that a man saying he is a woman, magically makes him one with access to all women’s spaces.

RhannionKPSS · 14/01/2023 01:51

The women and girls in Scotland are the canaries in the mine in this and the women & girls in Wales will be next if it’s not stopped in its tracks very soon.

Maisy37 · 14/01/2023 07:02

Idonotcareforcarrots · 14/01/2023 01:02

I’m in Scotland, no fan of Nicola Sturgeon though or Rishi Sunak either to be fair, but thank fuck if Westminster are going to put a block on this.
I would like to think that any sane woman who previously supported Independence would think again if supporting SNP means you accept that a man saying he is a woman, magically makes him one with access to all women’s spaces.

Exactly this, I’m a Scottish woman who voted yes in 2014. I even have a sodding selfie with Nicola Sturgeon! The biggest betrayal I feel. The rights of women and girls are non negotiable for me.
with some exceptions ( hi Joanna Cherry) the SNP are a disgrace.
the block to the bill has to happen. I suspect we are collateral damage and the inevitable “ oh Westminster are so mean” is the plan but I am filled with a rage so fierce…. bring it on

Birdsweepsin · 14/01/2023 08:36

It strikes me that Sunak pushing this particular button will force everyone in Politics off their fences.

You can't just say 'be kind'. Do you support Westminster or Holyrood?

This will be the biggest dose of sunlight ever. It's already cropping up in the news bulletins.

ResisterRex · 14/01/2023 08:39

This will be the biggest dose of sunlight ever. It's already cropping up in the news bulletins.

It was on quite a bit of rolling news yesterday, I think? I feel like I caught it on Sky and maybe the BBC too?

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MagpiePi · 14/01/2023 08:42

I’ve found the BBC is focusing on the constitutional aspect of blocking this Scottish bill and giving very little airtime to why it needs to be blocked.