Prostate Cancer UK woowoo page

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Prostate Cancer UK have been refreshingly strong in their avoidance of woowoo and unlike many of the female cancer charities are clear in the majority of their text that this is a male disease.

It was slightly bizarre to step off their sane pages, which are an excellent campaign to get all men to check their risk, and onto the trans woowoo pages. It's like a whole new language 👇

prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/are-you-at-risk/trans-women-and-prostate-cancer/

"The following people have a prostate:
• cis men (men who identify as male and were assigned male at birth)
• trans women (women who identify as female and were assigned male at birth)
• non-binary people who were assigned male at birth
• some intersex people."

Women who identify as female SMH 🙄

"Although the risk of prostate cancer is likely to be low, it’s important to be aware if you’re a trans woman or a non-binary person assigned male at birth because:
• you might not have any symptoms
• you might be listed as female on your medical records so a health professional may not start a conversation with you about prostate problems"

It is medical malpractice to record sex incorrectly. I'm sick to the back teeth of this dangerous bullshit.

We are then randomly gifted to some unnecessary sex stuff. No female has ever experienced this......

"Some trans women who have had vaginoplasty report self-lubrication of the vagina – this may be fluid from the prostate. Not all trans women who have had vaginoplasty experience this. Stimulation of the prostate during vaginal sex can be another source of sexual pleasure.
The prostate gland is sensitive. Stimulation of the prostate gland can be enjoyable for cis men, trans women and non-binary people, for example through anal sex or using fingers or sex toys."

And last, but not least, a beautiful word salad here "*people".

"* People who were assigned female at birth and who identify and live as men or women can’t get prostate cancer or prostate disease because they do not have a prostate."

Oh well, I guess if it gets PEOPLE to check their prostrate risk, it's worth dancing the woo dance I suppose. But I thought no one denies their biological sex? I thought that didn't happen?

Your sex isn't assigned, it's observed, and you can not ever escape it.

It is a good campaign those and I urge everyone to get the men in their lives to check out their risk.

I mainly dislike the word “assigned” when referring to sex. As if someone did “Eenie meenie minie mo” to choose what sex they “assign” a baby.

why not observed? Or just sex.

I think they have to call an automated phone line to find out which sex to assign the baby to, like when someone is being randomised to a clinical trial…

That is what is now in the medical files here...

I read that it came from the very rare cases a long time ago where an infant's sex could not be determined by the observation of the genitals, i.e., some rare cases of DSD. It was then appropriated by those who wish to see sex for everyone as arbitrarily assigned and something that can be changed.

Also, it is used by some activists to refer to biological sex, by others to refer to social gender, which makes language even more confusing. But as far as I understand, that is the intended effect from the dismantling of language by queer theory principles, i.e., begin by someone stating that there is night and there is day, and then attack them by asking about dawn and dusk and, when exactly, night changes into day or day into night, and - presto - the next argument is that we cannot really differentiate between night and day (or male and female). I see this on Twitter all the time.

I have no issue with it, because 'assigned' just describes the bit that comes after 'observation'.

Baby pops out, observations are made, value judgements off the back of those observations, then a sex assigned as a result of the value judgement.

I think they pushed for assigned because it makes them feel better if they think of it like their transness feels like some kind of victimhood. Like "I didn't CHOOSE to be trans. This is my parents and the doctors faults! They assigned me the wrong sex! I'm a tragic victim!" Then they don't have to feel bad about their choices when people get upset at them doing inappropriate things like walking in on little girls in dressing rooms at a pool for instance.

“Stimulation of the prostate during vaginal sex can be another source of sexual pleasure.”

What a sentence! I have no more words for this denial of basic biological fact - a new word is required for that body part - it’s not a vagina.

Rubbish. No 'value judgement' is made. A penis is a penis and a vulva is a vulva. The enfant's sex is recorded from this clear observation. If there is any lack of clarity, genetic tests reveal the absence it presence of a Y chromosome and the infant's sex is recorded from that chest observation.

If the sex has not already been observed from amnio or CVS.

I'm trying not to think about how the hell the prostrate juices somehow leak through skin.........

How come they don't leak through mens bum holes then?

It is not even the sex recorded at birth that is relevant, but the person's actual sex. It is incredibly rare in the UK for those two things to be different (because if there is ambiguity further tests would be done so that the correct sex could be recorded), but nonetheless the only thing relevant to whether prostate cancer risk applies to you is your sex.

“Value judgment”? What are you talking about?
Have you ever given birth or been present at a birth? It takes a split second to OBSERVE if a newborn is male or female.

I think you’re “having a laugh “.

All that “woowoo” stuff is incomprehensible. Gives me a headache even reading a couple of sentences.

Can't they just say "anyone with a prostate" and be done with it, rather than compile an exhaustive list of all the possibilities?

I seriously, seriously don't understand the physiology of lubrication of a faux vagina with fluid from the prostate..How? Where? Why? What? Via what means does this happen? Do unsurgically modified men ever experience sexually kinked fluid from their prostate? Should they? Where does it leak to and from?

Such amazingly poor misinformation that potentially undermines all the good they do. How could you possibly seek medical advice from an organisation that is THIS confused?

I mean when an intact man gets aroused he produces precum so I imagine it is similar. Although I've read this method of surgery is not really sufficient and they usually require lube. They're is a method where they can use part of the colon so lubricant is not required but then there is a particularly bad smell for obvious reasons...

As you can see there is a really big problem with surgical misinformation or omissions of issues. So they often insists these issues are exaggerated or they exaggerate how well the procedures go. For instance on one thread the pp were taking about how transwomen were implying they could experience full body orgasms.

Well I'm a woman and I've had some pretty mind blowing orgasms but I would not say they are "full body". Definitely can feel it in my entire abdominal area and my breasts though. But I guess some people might consider that full body? But I would not say I'm experiencing an orgasm in my hands or face. 😂

But the big issue here is there is no biological implications that suggest a male could experience an orgasm the same way since the uterus participates. So I guess they are suffering from a terrible case of uterus envy. Lol

Same as all the claims about hormonal cycles in synthetic female hormones, including cramps in the uterus they don't have and breast tenderness...

Precum would be seminal fluid, presumably without any sperm ever joining in as presumably no testicles, which is completely different to vaginal lubrication? It makes no sense? Seminal fluid having a specific ph to protect sperm in the acidic conditions of a vagina etc. And if you've had an orchidectomy, and no longer produce sperm then presumably the vas deferens and seminal vesicle are also damaged?

I don't actually, clearly, have enough knowledge of the anatomy of a surgically created faux vagina. Do they all follow the same route or is it variable in preference/request/etc? The thought of any of it is so brutal that following it up with considering penetrative sex without decent lubrication is just awful.

But surely, all the more reason for a charity that gives out information on this topic to clear up more confusion than they create.

Well I got angry one day because a transwomen implied that the fluid transwomen produce was the same lubricant females produce and actually said that it comes out of our urethra which is conveniently twisted and inaccurate. They're is a gland next to the urethra which can make it seem like that is what is happening but it's not actually I THE urethra and they definitely got that from porn. Those glands area all over our vagina and the fluid they produce do not serve the same purpose.

So I did quite a bit of anger fuelled research. 😂

Before I get into all that I'll answer your question. There are many many different types of neo vagina surgeries and it's very personalized. Depending on the surgeon and transperson question. But the most common that I'm aware at the moment are the surgery where they remove the testes, keep the prostate so they can orgasm, and fashion the vagina out of the reversed penis and/or use part of the colon. There are several purposes for choosing or not choosing to use the colon. Whether it's because they took blockers and the penis is too small and need more materials or because of ease of penetration. They also may opt out because they don't want to smell terribly.

But I am by no means an expert on male anatomy so feel free to chime in and correct me. I am however a female fertility expert so I'm very well versed on that topic and particularly on the survival of sperm.

From what I understand of it men do produce fluid in the prostate. It's not the same as semen. The testes produce semen. When it's pushed out the fluids come together. The fluid the prostate produces serves as a sort of food and travel resource for the semen to stay alive until it can reach the female cervical mucus in the vagina to keep it alive and help out finish traveling to its destination. For these purposes the fluids are both VERY similar but NOT the same! Trans women will swear it is the same. But it is not. Female cervical fluid also serves the purpose of plugging the cervix during pregnancy. Cervical fluid changes in thickness and consistency constantly through out a female cycle which is why it is not and never will be the same.

When it's thin white and sticky you are at your least fertile. Sperm night live an hour inside your body at best. When it is clear and stretchy sperm can live inside a vagina for as long as 7-10 days depending on the quality and health of the male sperm. When you become pregnant it forms a thick sticky plug to keep your baby inside and prevent bacteria from getting inside and killing both the mother and the baby. This is why it is safe to take a bath or go swimming when pregnant up until your water breaks!

Females produce a second fluid on the outside and inside of the vagina. This fluid exists purely for the sake of making penetration easier. We call this arousal fluid. It is only produced when a female is sexually aroused.

You even find the phrase parroted on medical literature which really should know better. This 'non binary' people's genitals thing is just patently ridiculous when no one can agree on whAt being non binary means apart from a liking for green hair and nose piercings.

Snort*

Maybe I've discovered why some men stick tampons up there!!!

How about
Anyone whose sex was recorded as male at birth is at risk of prostate cancer even if your gender identity is different from your birth sex.

I don’t believe in the concept of gender identity but their target audience does.

I always wonder how inclusive this language is for people with limited language comprehension or cognitive skills. Not everyone will know what a prostate is or if they have one or be able to work through the wording to figure out if the information is something that applies to them.

How is this language inclusive of these people?

It is not. But they are not members of the important caste.