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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People from our side being vocal on Twitter re gender identity ideology in schools

67 replies

Leafstamp · 11/01/2023 16:37

Is it me or is the the schools issue is gaining in intensity?

Look at the replies on this thread: twitter.com/Headteacherchat/status/1613087688378417152

The Education Secretary really needs to get a grasp of this.

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WildIris · 11/01/2023 16:45

It really, really does need to be addressed.

Have you seen this on Twitter from SSA

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1612557744971862016

Children being told that bestiality is a sexuality!

PomegranateOfPersephone · 11/01/2023 17:31

The schools issue is a really serious one. It is such a massive breach of safeguarding. We are dangerously veering from safeguarding best practice when we encourage the keeping of secrets between adults and children and the exposure of children to details of adult sexual practices, including it seems some which are illegal. Specifically showing adult material to children is considered child sexual abuse so I really don’t know how this is being allowed to happen.

Especially no child should be told that he or she might be “in the wrong body”. Teaching as fact the belief that people can be in the wrong body and require medication and surgery to rectify it is harmful ideological indoctrination of children.

please see this thread for more

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex?page=5&reply=122571185

ArabellaScott · 11/01/2023 17:48

This video is worth a watch.

Leafstamp · 11/01/2023 18:00

It really is a massive safeguarding issue. People have rightly focussed on children being socially transitioned without parental consent but I have issue with it being done with parental consent. I think there are good arguments for it not happening without medical instruction/supervision.

I just don't see the evidence for social transitioning being a helpful thing to do.

Hopefully the Cass Review will make things clearer.

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Datun · 11/01/2023 18:19

WildIris · 11/01/2023 16:45

It really, really does need to be addressed.

Have you seen this on Twitter from SSA

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1612557744971862016

Children being told that bestiality is a sexuality!

Ffs. Interested parties making sure that pervs are going to be rebranded as just another sexual orientation.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/01/2023 18:34

The SSA have lots of links to Change.org petition asking the Tate to stop pushing gender at kids. The links just go to Change.org. I've tried searching the site and I can't find their petition. Has it been removed?

ResisterRex · 11/01/2023 18:36

WildIris · 11/01/2023 16:45

It really, really does need to be addressed.

Have you seen this on Twitter from SSA

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1612557744971862016

Children being told that bestiality is a sexuality!

Fucking hell:

"the teachers should have shut this down immediately and explained that it is inappropriate, not to mention illegal in the UK. Nothing of the sort. One of the teachers said it was a sexuality whereby some people are attracted to and have sex with animals. It was talked about like it is completely normal."

PomegranateOfPersephone · 11/01/2023 19:04

Maybe the RSPCA need to get involved in this campaign. This child abuse and also trying to make animal abuse tolerated in society.

mollynolly · 11/01/2023 19:18

Given that my child's godparent is trans I frankly couldn't give a hoot.

rabbitwoman · 11/01/2023 19:18

Leafstamp · 11/01/2023 18:00

It really is a massive safeguarding issue. People have rightly focussed on children being socially transitioned without parental consent but I have issue with it being done with parental consent. I think there are good arguments for it not happening without medical instruction/supervision.

I just don't see the evidence for social transitioning being a helpful thing to do.

Hopefully the Cass Review will make things clearer.

I have really noticed how parents are:

Scared to challenge their children and disagree with them or tell them they are wrong

Really proud of being trans allies because it makes them look very cool and inclusive to their increasingly dismissive kids

Eager to believe in the same far fetched rubbish their kids do, even parroting the same phrases

Completely uninformed about the facts and not at all curious to discover the truth if it means a bit of reading

Seemingly incredibly liberal about their child's sex lives. I was amazed by one mother saying if all the children were in a mixed dorm and one of them wanted to fiddle with themselves in their sleeping bag after lights out, that was no one's business and fine by her!!!

TightFistedWozerk · 11/01/2023 19:24

mollynolly · 11/01/2023 19:18

Given that my child's godparent is trans I frankly couldn't give a hoot.

Molly I don't think your child's trans godparent would want to be teamed with people who are practitioners of bestiality, surely?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/01/2023 19:33

The abandonment of the principle that political activists have have no place in schools is appalling.
For decades schools understood that political activists could only be part of a moderated and balanced curriculum. Yet thanks to the forced teaming of the T with LGB, political lobby groups openly pushing to remove women's rights, transition children, eradicate sex based language & pushing queer theory have been welcomed into schools - aided and abetted by politicians and the DfE. That's why schools have abandoned safeguarding and critical thinking - they've been instructed that this is OK from the very top.

HipTightOnions · 11/01/2023 19:42

The abandonment of the principle that political activists have have no place in schools is appalling.

They (the teachers and SLT responsible) really don't see themselves as political activists though. They just see themselves as decent people and think that all right-minded people think like they do.

They don't understand the issues, and anyone who tries to raise them is dismissed.

nilsmousehammer · 11/01/2023 20:19

mollynolly · 11/01/2023 19:18

Given that my child's godparent is trans I frankly couldn't give a hoot.

You're cool with schools teaching children that some adults enjoy sexually abusing animals for their personal pleasure and this is all just another identity they can grow up to enjoy? Is that what you're saying?

rabbitwoman · 11/01/2023 20:23

HipTightOnions · 11/01/2023 19:42

The abandonment of the principle that political activists have have no place in schools is appalling.

They (the teachers and SLT responsible) really don't see themselves as political activists though. They just see themselves as decent people and think that all right-minded people think like they do.

They don't understand the issues, and anyone who tries to raise them is dismissed.

I suppose not too long ago the advancement of gay rights WAS political activism. Before that, civil rights for minorities was activism. Women's rights were activism at one point, too.

But these activists worked hard, fought hard and their particular activism cemented rights and protections for disadvantaged groups into law, so now it can be taught in schools. Because we should be teaching children about the law and to operate within it.

However, this particular shade of activism seems to be intent on raising one group of people above the law. What we are teaching children is not only not lawful, but we are teaching them that it is now perfectly fine to trample over the rights of some disadvantaged groups if it gets in the way.

A lot of teachers have been tricked into thinking it's the same as the gay rights movement of the 80s and 90s - I have heard many people say this, parrot this like a mantra without really examining it. It's a quick and easy soundbite that sounds good but has no basis in reality when examined, like 'rights aren't like pie!' and 'it's the same as when it became acceptable to be left handed!!'

Leafstamp · 11/01/2023 20:32

Some excellent points being made here.

It's infuriating that this has been pushed from the top and now left to parents to police. A lot of us are protecting our children from it by having conversations at home but sadly many (often vulnerable) children are getting some very harmful and confusing messages from school, which they take onboard, because y'know, they've been taught to trust teachers. And it's even worse online.

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Leafstamp · 11/01/2023 20:36

@mollynolly I don't understand what having a trans godparent has to do with children having an education that is free from partisan political ideas and plentiful in critical thinking.

Adults can describe their experience and lifestyle through the idea of being transgender if they wish but it is obvious that gender identity ideology is a contested belief system. Schools are not treating it as such and children are being misinformed and in some cases not safeguarded.

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JacquelinePot · 11/01/2023 20:59

It's not only about the rampant and widespread failure of teachers, LEAs and politicians to safeguard children, as disgusting and shameful as that is.

Raising generations of children to become adults who have no sexual or personal boundaries is going to have a horrifying impact on society as a whole.

nilsmousehammer · 11/01/2023 21:04

Oh they'll have huge, huge boundaries about 'you can't say that' and 'you can't say no to that person who wants you to do that'. Huge. Call the police type boundaries.

They will just have been trained to have boundaries that suit those who wish to use others, and to divide society in those who get to do what they want, and make choices and have their feelings and boundaries cared about, and those who do what they're told by that powerful group however it makes them feel (and if they feel badly about it it's their fault) or else.

Lundy Bancroft could write an entire lecture tour about the abusive tactics involved.

NotRightNowNo · 11/01/2023 21:05

Molly you're OK with bestiality because you have a trans godparent?

That's a powerful argument against safeguarding children 😕

nilsmousehammer · 11/01/2023 21:06

I'm still very confused about what having a trans godparent has to do with promoting illegal sexual activity and abusing animals to children.

How exactly are those two things connected?

ScrollingLeaves · 11/01/2023 23:12

Leafstamp, are you on Twitter? If so could you add that petition about gender identity in RSE lessons in schools?

IcakethereforeIam · 11/01/2023 23:38

@Leafstamp this one

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/618970

ReunitedThorns · 11/01/2023 23:43

I've just read an article on the BBC about schools being worried about the influence of Andrew Tate and how they're doing everything they can to combat his ideology, and I was left thinking "if only there was another ideology you were this worried about".

WaffleDogBlanket · 11/01/2023 23:54

That thread is almost unanimous!

Interesting then that the instigators of the original post have retweeted any answers hat mentions something different and not acknowledged the issue at hand openly.

People are sharing some absolutely shocking school policies and practices. The one from a Federation of 30 schools that says that any female student having an issues with being made to change in the presence of a boy should be told that although they may appear to a the body of a boy but they are in every way a girl or something like that....and that the focus on anyone raising concerns about trans issues in school should be on the complainer not what they're raising as a concern. Absolutely AWFUL.