Canadians growing “anti-trans” hate grows

[MeanCanadianLady]

I’m just going to leave these here. I can’t imagine why these loving, kind, gentle, polite, down to earth Canadian people would possibly feel this way.

All sarcasm aside I hate being clumped in with people who think violence is the answer to a disagreement in values rather than going through the proper legal channels to find a solution. No one deserves to be murdered, attacked or injured for any reason. I think many of us agree that violence is not the solution.

I do however resonate with the growing distrust and questioning of the lgbtq+ and drag, particularly the way trans people are put on a pedestal while women’s concerns go largely ignored.

globalnews.ca/news/9393280/canada-lgbtq-hate-trans-west-block/

Also outrage that drag for children is questioned. I cannot possibly imagine why. 😑

www.sootoday.com/local-news/pride-community-outraged-over-call-to-protest-drag-story-time-6345030?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQz5v5xoehvuVKGMCllYeYvYjstgEqKggAIhC7pmu4uZD0FVANk3e6vvJWKhQICiIQu6ZruLmQ9BVQDZN3ur7yVg&utm_content=rundown

Great post op. Canada is nuts. Why are drag queens (a group who delight in parodying women) insist on hanging around with kids anyway?

I was at a dinner with friends recently, one friend has a brother who is 'queer' (and possibly trans). We got onto a discussion of pronouns and eventually ended up with my friend, who is very logical, very level headed and very intelligent telling me that her brother was scared of the anti-trans movement in Uk. She told me he was scared of violence, and I said 'from who?' and she said 'feminists'.

I was speechless.... How can she honestly believe that feminists are going around attacking trans identified men. It is absolute DARVO.

She then said her brother had told her he had his bag packed by the door ready to escape incase the fascists come for him.

I thought about this alot - first it was a shame to see a decent, intelligent friend so misinformed (if she can believe this, then anyone can)

Secondly it made me question: is her brother lying to her in order to manipulate her or make her feel sorry for him..

OR

Is he being brainwashed from his online echo chamber and actually believes that he is in danger?

In most cults, they make cult members feel scared of the world outside the cult, in order to keep them compliant, and to stop them from leaving... I wondered if this is happening online, and is this why there is such a passionate TRA movement, because these people TRULY believe that 'trans lives are in danger'.

And really the solution to all of this is to have lawmakers, government and pubic bodies remain factual and evidence based, and non secular .. so not to be swayed by religious fanatics or cult movements. It is imperative.

The 2nd, but possibly also the 1st except he genuinely believes it, he's not consciously lying.

It reminds me of something I've posted before. All those trans'allies' from organisations like Stonewall to individuals like Daniel Radcliffe. It's all very well them saying I love you, I support you. Except they're also saying, that lot hate you and want you to die.

@BlessedKali
They are very good at what they do! They had me fooled for the longest time as well! I was all about the be kind brigade. I was brainwashed in university actually. That’s how it all started for me. 😑 I won’t say which university because I don’t want to give away my location but it was a very well known university here. They’ve got the colleges and universities working as their brainwash factories to push out their minions!

As for the cults yes this is a secular cult in a sense. Cults can’t use God or Jesus to manipulate people anymore so they’ve got to get creative instead. It’s not always about religion. There are cults that sell make up or very strict diets for example. They take advantage of cultural taboos and expand and exploit.

@thecatsmum12346
If I find out I will let you know. I wish I knew how this trend started in the first place. It makes me very uncomfortable. My friend who was a drag queen was doing drag for 30 years but stopped recently because he said it was going in a direction that made him uncomfortable. It was sad because I think it made him really happy. But the current climate for drag has pushed him out. I think that is a sign of a negative shift for drag.

@IcakethereforeIam
Agreed. So much hypocrisy. I guess it’s okay to threaten people if you take them out of context and all your friends think they have bad opinions.

Be warned posts with the 'c' word, not cunt, often get deleted.

It's not just about misrepresenting gc views as anti-trans, it also unintentionally keeps their people fearful and binds them into the trans not-cunt.

Oh excuse me. I forgot this word was forbidden! Oops!

Well if it gets deleted I will understand. Thank you for the kind reminder.

I thought drag queen was a role played by men. Since when did they start being referred to as "she"?

Since when did men begin to refer to things as "scary"? It is a rather childish word for men to use. Is it to prove their feminine credentials?

In drag culture when the man is dressed as he normally would be he wants to be called a he. When he is in drag he requests to be called a she and his chosen drag name as he (or she) has transformed! This has been this way long before the gender debate.

I hate the way that - deeply ironically ad absurdum - it's treated as a strict binary choice whether people love, affirm and support everything you do or alternatively, they hate you, wish violence upon you and ideallly want to kill you.

Why can some people simply not accept that many people very much disapprove of their choices, behaviours and demands - to the extent where these greatly negatively affect and endanger others - but nevertheless wish to debate, peacefully protest and criticise and democratically campaign?

The middle ground is where I suspect the vast majority of people fall - but it seems to fit the agenda and subsequent demands far better if anybody who doesn't embrace your beliefs 100% is assumed to be a nasty, evil, brainless, violent enemy.

If you can identify as whatever you want to, it's the easiest thing in the world to set the base-level ground rules to ensure that you can legitimately (in your own eyes) identify as a victim of the most appalling abusive treatment. Indeed, I'm thinking now of all the competitions I've entered over the years and lamenting all those times where the organisers have abused me and displayed actual deep-rooted prejudicial violence towards me by not picking my name out of the hat as the winner....

It sounds from the written interview the drag queen is not at a performance. This person is also described in the article as a transwoman. How can a person who claims to be a woman, be a drag queen? This is just another fawning article from a captured press.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll I wish I knew. I grew up religious and my parents taught me to respect others opinions and beliefs even if they didn’t line up with mine and that was the general census. I am no longer religious but still believe that I should respect the choices that others make even if it doesn’t work with my beliefs or… lack there of.

We were even taught to respect differences of opinions politically. We would say “they are entitled to their opinions.”

But now it seems gone are the days of respecting different beliefs, creeds or ideas. Now having a different opinion doesn’t mean that you are merely just different but a terrible person too!

It sucks and is kind of depressing. I don’t want any part of it anymore. It’s mentally draining trying to make it work somehow. I want to be able to disagree with others and have others disagree with me without locking them up in“bad thinkers” jail.

Interesting thread.

Highlights why it is so important to believers of trans ideology to obscure the sex data for crime figures.

Otherwise it would be extremely clear that feminists are only going to say "no", there is no danger of violent assault.

I came across something on facebook yesterday where someone who is pro trans assumed that people who are gender critical are all right wing and support anti abortion groups. I suspect echo chambers are playing a part here. How do we break down this misinformation?

So when you subordinate and oppress and insult women, and remove their equality of access, and then exploit the situation as far as possible, the populace get really pissed off.

Who'd have ever seen that one coming?!

About seven or eight years ago, I attended a training session for primary and secondary school governors about "gender". It was delivered by some random org, but was using content from stonewall and the like.

The nonsense and emotive, brainwashing elements were as you would expect, but the thing that really stuck with me was a strong worry about the "nice but dim" crowd.

They are the ones working in HR and writing ail signature policies. They are the ones delivering genderbread training in PSHE lessons. They are the unquestioning be kind types, who cannot countenance complexity or ambiguity, the ones who "identify" as good, so therefore are good.

The violent TRAs are scary, no doubt. But there are a lot more nice-but-dims about, and they scare me more. No amount of logic, proof, examples, science, etc, will convince them, because they are too fucking stupid to be convinced.

It was interesting reading that article about all this apparent hate directed towards the TQ+ (it's not towards the LGB bit they didn't ask to get included in the letter soup) and not understanding why, then at the bottom of the article is a photo and link to the large fake breasted Canadian school teacher.

And they wonder why people are giving TQ+ people the side eye as they proclaim they are the most honest, marginalised,misunderstood, not sexually motivated, at risk group when that bloody teacher immediately pops into people's heads and they think "nah mate, it's just entitled men taking the piss"

I came across something on facebook yesterday where someone who is pro trans assumed that people who are gender critical are all right wing and support anti abortion groups.

Another deeply ironic hard binary that they clearly believe in, then: nobody could possibly have different opinions and perspectives on all different aspects of life, community, society, politics etc. - you have to pick a side to nail your colours to and then you're either 'right wing' (baddie) or 'left wing' (goodie); and it's utterly impossible to ever be anything in between.

Exactly. There's this Bundle of Good Beliefs that you must adhere to in order to be a Good Person. If you deviate then you're no longer a Good Person, which means that if you have self-identified as a Good Person then you must fervently cling to the entire Bundle no matter what. A corollary is that when you belong to the Good Person with Good Bundle club, then you can do/say/lie/threaten whatever you want as long as this can be claimed in defence of the Good Bundle in the holy war against the Bad People.

Cognitive dissonance is a feature not a bug.

Gullibility to good marketing and outsourcing thinking I suspect is also a feature that has been highly exploitable when we start drawing up the 'close the safeguarding loopholes that let this get so far' policy.

I've sat in meetings where tired, overstretched, well intentioned and largely liberal left middle management have listened to whatever the New Thing is, the new instruction, 'now we all say this' (and this week we've been re branded as this and all the titles and wording is changing again, and this week we're all being re structured again, and this week there's a new drive on this potty initiative we have to produce data on for government purposes that are meaningless to the job but apparently matter to someone up there for some agenda of theirs, and this is the new box to tick on the action plan so demonstrate this as often as possible) and they just take it on board and carry on.

The same group of people when they try to talk about 'but our funding doesn't go that far' and 'this conflicts with this policy' and 'this is unworkable with our service users because' tend to get a lot of management speak and stonewalling.I remember one highly expensive consultant drawing a picture of a car park and writing every practical problem raised with what she was saying on her picture to 'park it' as it was 'negative thinking' and 'unhelpful'. Policy changes on a dime and the service delivery mostly gets done in spite of the constant initiatives, changes of direction, mission creep, inspection fear busywork and political stuff piled on top.

That's a relevant part of the climate and breeding pool this has been hatched and grown in.

”A corollary is that when you belong to the Good Person with Good Bundle club, then you can do/say/lie/threaten whatever you want as long as this can be claimed in defence of the Good Bundle in the holy war against the Bad People.”

Yup. It’s a very old thought process, that one. It goes ‘A: I am a good person. B: What I want is a good thing. Therefore C: whatever I do to achieve it is also good.”

C doesn’t follow from A and B. But thinking it does has killed millions.